Mastrubation, lust, and the imaginationx - an interesting question

[CShephard53]

Why would God create something that is normal, healthy and good for you if he didn't support us doing it?

I was talking about masturbation, not lust or fantacizing. And I was talking about it being not a good idea for ME- I said nothing about it being sin. I said that does not matter in my mind. I said having something control you (other than God) is sin.

Things that are normal and healthy are gifts from God it is plain common sense.

You cannot prove it [masturbation] is normal and healthy, and you'd have to define what each mean. And just because something is normal and healthy does not mean it is a gift from God.
Am I saying it's sin by attacking you're position? No, I already said I don't think it matters. Am I saying sexual arousal is wrong? No. Am I condemning sexual fantasies? Yes.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You cannot prove it [masturbation] is normal and healthy,

medically or scientifically, you can never PROVE anything... but the available eviddence sertainly suggests that masturbation is a normal, healthy thing to do.

And just because something is normal and healthy does not mean it is a gift from God.

Um... I'd say that anything that is normal and healthy IS a gift from God... where else would it come from?

 

[Piedpiper123]

Am I condemning sexual fantasies? Yes.

Why are you condemning something that the Bible does not? Jesus only warned about adulterous looks not about sexual fantasy per se. Fantasy for many people is an important part of a healthy sex life.

There is a fair amount of sexual fantasy in the 'Song of Songs' in the Bible as one partner thinks of the other in a sexual way.

 

[TamiinKS]

You know, since all things sexual just get us into so much trouble AND since we can now have babies without having to have sex...why don't we just do away with it?

A newly married couple who passes all the psych and finance tests can go to a clinic, donate the needed cells and then implant the fertilized egg in the mom-to-be.

Just think! No more needing to worry that every little sexual thought that pops into our heads is greasing our own little track into hell. No more worrying that if I enjoy something, I'm a degenerate sinner!


...and can someone help me get my tongue out of my cheek, lest anyone think I'm serious?

 

[CShephard53]

medically or scientifically, you can never PROVE anything... but the available eviddence sertainly suggests that masturbation is a normal, healthy thing to do.

Still haven't given evidence or a definition for normal and healthy.

There is a fair amount of sexual fantasy in the 'Song of Songs' in the Bible as one partner thinks of the other in a sexual way.

Yes- between two married people. And the other actually exists.

Why are you condemning something that the Bible does not? Jesus only warned about adulterous looks not about sexual fantasy per se. Fantasy for many people is an important part of a healthy sex life.

Do not lust. Lust is a desire for what is forbidden. And 'per se'? Fantasy is an important part of a healthy sex life? Maybe for those who are married and who are having fantasy about their wife.

 

[CShephard53]

Everything that is normal and healthy, save for drinking [water], select bodily functions (like going to the bathroom, blinking, hearing, seeing, moving) has limits. Eating has limits. Sleeping has limits. And sex has limits.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Still haven't given evidence or a definition for normal and healthy.

No problem... people who touch regularly without psychological baggage attached, have fewer pathologies than those who don't.

 

[CShephard53]

So you're talking physical health? How regularly? Once a week? Twice? Once every two weeks? Who did the study?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

So you're talking physical health? How regularly? Once a week? Twice? Once every two weeks? Who did the study?

Masturbating may protect against prostate cancer - 16 July 2003

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3942

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There are a few you might like to look at.

As far as I'm aware, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that masturbation is bad for you, and lots to suggest it is good for you.

Note: Yes, it IS true that certain pathologies result in masturbation to a degree that is physically harmful... but that is not the masturbation responsible for the damage, but rather the underlying psychological, pharmocological, or physical reason for the behaviour

 

[Everlasting33]

No theologian on earth will agree with you here. The Bible, nowhere, condemns sexual arousal. So you've got an incorrect view of how your own religion works, right out of the gate.

Except sperm die anyway. It seems to me that you basically have absolutely no clue how male physiology works when it comes to sexual function. If we don't touch, the sperm die on their own and are discharged in urine, or are expelled unconsciously while we sleep (nocturnal emissions). So the sperm die anyway. To say that sperm dying is the same as human life dying is nonsensical, and both bad theology and bad medicine. Masturbation has been shown to be very healthy in moderation.

Please don't rail about something just because you've been told it's bad and blindly believe that. You've either been lied to, or you're making up reasons for disagreeing with masturbation. Neither one of them is something that you should be engaging in.

Great post! I'd give you reps but I am all out for today!

 

[TheLivingWater]

I don't get it

Why do you have such questions.
The Bible is clear to me

Lev 15:16 And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.
Lev 15:17 And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.
Lev 15:18 The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.

 

[CShephard53]

Unclean does not = sin.

 

[Piedpiper123]

Unclean does not = sin.

And those verses apply to Jews under the Mosaic coventant not to Christians. Having sex does NOT make people unclean!

 

[Dannager]

I don't get it

Why do you have such questions.
The Bible is clear to me

Ah, then of course you're already aware that those verses apply simply to ceremonial law and have nothing to do with sin at all.

Wait, what's that? You didn't know that?

 

[CShephard53]

Having sex does NOT make people unclean!

Still does, sorry. Difference is we don't care now.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Still does, sorry. Difference is we don't care now.

If the marraige bed should be kept pure, is it talking about washing your sheets daily here?

Where does the NT speak of becoming unclean in having sex?

By that I mean with your husband (or keeping with the OP) ~oneself~

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[Dannager]

Still does, sorry. Difference is we don't care now.

You do realize that it only makes one ceremonially unclean, right?

 

[Fireinfolding]

You do realize that it only makes one ceremonially unclean, right?

Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Like these ones?

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[CShephard53]

Note that Jesus didn't abolish any laws. They are still in effect, the only difference is we don't care about the sacrifice, clean/unclean laws because we have Jesus.
Please don't take things out of context.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Note that Jesus didn't abolish any laws. They are still in effect, the only difference is we don't care about the sacrifice, clean/unclean laws because we have Jesus.
Please don't take things out of context.

Who are you adressing? You responding (to myself) or the post above me that quoted you?

Peace

Fireinfolding