Mastrubation, lust, and the imaginationx - an interesting question

[TheLivingWater]

So God changed his mind? I thought God's will was eternal and unchangeing?

Wow you are confused
God's will never changes !
His commandments DO as we DO change !

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Wow you are confused
God's will never changes !
His commandments DO as we DO change !

ok... so... if his comandments change, how do you know the Bible verses you are quoting havn't changed?

 

[Fireinfolding]

I will not spoon feed lust lovers !
Go and read your Bible !
It is writen that God no longer wants the sacrifycing of animals !

Com on now, play "nice". No one needs to be spoonfed by one who is still on the baby bottle

Peace

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[TheLivingWater]

Com on now, play "nice". No one needs to be spoonfed by one who is still on the baby bottle

Peace

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[TheLivingWater]

ok... so... if his comandments change, how do you know the Bible verses you are quoting havn't changed?

Errr ... you are here to argue ?

Quote me the verses that chanage these verses !

 

[Fireinfolding]

How old are you Livingwater?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Errr ... you are here to argue ?

Quote me the verses that chanage these verses !

Whose arguing? YOU told us that God changes his commandments... I want to know how you know that the commandments you were quoting earlier havn't changed?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Errr ... you are here to argue ?

Quote me the verses that chanage these verses !

Where is cleaning something outwardly spoken of Jesus Christ or Paul? We are to clean the inside of the cup and dish. But where do these things fall inline with Jesus words? See what Im asking? One does not become unclean from the which is without but what comes out of our own mouths (not elsewhere). One is defiled (as Jesus said) from what comes out of out hearts and spills forth from our own mouth.

Peace

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[TheLivingWater]

Where is cleaning something outwardly spoken of Jesus Christ or Paul? We are to clean the inside of the cup and dish. But where do these things fall inline with Jesus words? See what Im asking? One does not become unclean from the which is without but what comes out of our own mouths (not elsewhere). One is defiled (as Jesus said) from what comes out of out hearts and spills forth from our own mouth.

Peace

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Err sorry but you must think of things as result and couse
The product of Lust is Sin.
Don't ! Just don't tell me in any way that masturbation comes from faith !
And if you believe in that keep it to yourself.
I don't want to know the detiles !

My age is shown at my profile o___o


EnemyPartyII - like ... i told you what i know.
If you know better great go touch with Faith
lol...

 

[Fireinfolding]

Err sorry but you must think of things as result and couse
The product of Lust is Sin.

James 1:15 Then when lust hath ~conceived~, it bringeth ~forth sin~: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Wheres it start?

Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members ~to bring forth~ fruit unto death.

Read in between

Romans 7:8 But sin, ~taking occasion~ by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

Don't ! Just don't tell me in any way that masturbation comes from faith !

I wont

And if you believe in that keep it to yourself.
I don't want to know the detiles !

WHO me?

You dont "believe in it" Livingwater

I promise not to fill you in with any of those sorts of details Though, I really dont think any of us ~here~ are interested reading about THAT

My age is shown at my profile o___o

I looked, but I apparently didnt see it thats why I asked.

Peace

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[TheLivingWater]

I don't get your point
Anyway the Bible is clear for me
I hope it becomes clear to you guys some day.

For in the entire Bible God and His prophets speak about these things !
And there is not even one place where they mention the product of lust ( masturbation and SO .. ON ... ) to be " GO FOR IT ! ITS NOT SIN " thing ...

Good luck .

 

[Piedpiper123]

Try not to put words in my mouth piper.

I didn't! These are your words:

"Note that Jesus didn't abolish any laws. They are still in effect"

You obviously forgot what you had just written!

"All who rely on the law are under a curse" Gal 3:10

"Now that faith has come we are no longer under the law" Gal 3:25

"how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?" Gal 4:9

"Having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross." Gal 2:14

Stop trying to put people under the curse of the law again!

 

[TheLivingWater]

Chose your reward !

Rev 2:7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat of the Tree of Life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.


OR

Lev 15:16 And if any man's sperm goes from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water and be unclean until the evening.
Lev 15:17 And every garment and every skin on which the sperm shall be, it shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the evening.
Lev 15:18 And the woman with whom a man shall lie with emission of sperm shall both bathe in water and be unclean until the evening.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Chose your reward !

Rev 2:7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat of the Tree of Life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.


OR

Lev 15:16 And if any man's sperm goes from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water and be unclean until the evening.
Lev 15:17 And every garment and every skin on which the sperm shall be, it shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the evening.
Lev 15:18 And the woman with whom a man shall lie with emission of sperm shall both bathe in water and be unclean until the evening.

And... this relates to masturbation how?

 

[Fireinfolding]

And... this relates to masturbation how?

I havent a clue either.

The wholesome tongue is a tree of life.

Confirms Jesus who said its what ~comes out~ of ones mouth that defiles a man (goes back in)

Talk about being judged by our own words.

To EAT fruit (of death or life) is not in relation to what GOES INTO a man but what COMES OUT The fruit of ones OWN LIPS.

I see things as spiritual truths over carnal, though its kinda humorous to see how others connect things

Why am I on this thread?

Peace

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[TheLivingWater]

Pro 17:28 Even a fool, when he is silent, is counted wise, and he who shuts his lips is counted as a man of understanding.


Maby this will make sens to you two ? Finaly ?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Pro 17:28 Even a fool, when he is silent, is counted wise, and he who shuts his lips is counted as a man of understanding.


Maby this will make sens to you two ? Finaly ?

Nope. Whats that got to do with masturbation?

 

[Blake4000]

We know by scripture that those who serve the flesh are infact sinning. Those who serve God in SPIRIT. are right.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. (Rom:8-7)
[/FONT]Masturbation is of the flesh, therefore a sin. IT will KILL your spirit slowly. As my video explains.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPlGVYjzvzs

 

[EnemyPartyII]

We know by scripture that those who serve the flesh are infact sinning. Those who serve God in SPIRIT. are right.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. (Rom:8-7)
[/FONT]Masturbation is of the flesh, therefore a sin. IT will KILL your spirit slowly. As my video explains.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPlGVYjzvzs

So anything pleasurable is bad?

 

[Fireinfolding]

No one is saying we are NOT to master our lusts

Livingwater where do you gather that?

Some havent control over their lusts yet we learn self control. Its better to do it yourself then to go outside yourself to another

Paul said its better to marry then to burn.

The power of sin is the Law so quoting the law at others will not make lust dissapear was my previous point.

We are not to be ruled by these things and crucify the flesh and its passions as the guiding force we are led by (after the flesh). No doubt.

But finding pleasure in having sex with ones husband or wife is not a sin. Wheres that? If it were not (at all) pleasureable there would be no procreation. Our carnal lusts are not to RULE or have DOMINION over us.

But You seem to feel we are condemned if we become sexually aroused at ALL. Is it not rather where that arousal is directed? Such as another mans wife and the llike? As in what does NOT belong TO YOU?

What HARM is there (to another ) is there in taking it into your own hands (sorta speak)

I'm NOT saying its something that should rule another. Your misunderstanding. I mean if your walking around controlled by your lusts clearly your old man is alive and not put to death (experiencially).

We all start THERE. When Paul said it was better to marry then to burn I see that as, "its better to take care of this problem in a moral way". Now I realize he did not say "Go thou off by thyself and do your thang"

BUT I cannot see how its a sin. Theres no law against touching yourself...

Are you saying, "Do not touch, or handle here"?

I think I really have to leave this discussion, because Im not at all comfortable discussing these things

If its wrong for you do not do it

Peace

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