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[tranz4md]

Has anyone considered castration?

I guarantee it would solve about 95% of your problems.

Castration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are doctors that will do it.

LOL, I think this statement lightened things up a bit in this forum. HeeHee!!

 

[GraceChurch]

touching yourself can bring about lustful thoughts which are sinful
take heart he loves you he died so sin is no longer whom you call master but so that god becomes master

So can having sex with your wife and thinking about your Secretary.

The truth is masturbation because it is associated to sex is doomed to be associated to sin! There is no Biblical reference to masturbation being a sin! Only by implication, Romans 14, what ever is not of faith is sin. So if you believe its sin then to you it is sin, and if you don't believe it sin, its not sin to you!

There's a great book on this I read called 'Sex is a gifts from God'. It was written by two Christian sex therapist.

I borrowed this bookto someoneand blown if I can remember who, so if anyone comes across one let me know.

PS. It's not for the fainthearted or religious minded person.

william.

 

[TheDag]

I like the videos brinny please don't stop posting them. There are some who may not want to hear or see them but there are others who appreciate them very much. Thanks!!

That is fine if you want to spend hours upon hours watching them. I simply do not have time to spend an entire day to watch the dozen or more that have been put in the thread. May I suggest however that you direct it to Brinny. By quoting me it appears that you are directing the comment at me rather than Brinny.

 

[Belle.E]

hhm how controversial looks like its down to speculations unfortunantly. one persons opinions about the scripture versus the next persons. The only way to get an answer I reckon is by asking God himself.

Which is hard I have no idea if I am getting an answer my mind has given me because it wants to satisfy my need by giving me the one i want I then doubt it...By getting the opposite I then think did my mind do that because it knows I would doubt the alternative? Or is it actually God? but I think others are able to do it properly....that however is a whole different topic.

 

[Terene]

hhm how controversial looks like its down to speculations unfortunantly. one persons opinions about the scripture versus the next persons. The only way to get an answer I reckon is by asking God himself.

Which is hard I have no idea if I am getting an answer my mind has given me because it wants to satisfy my need by giving me the one i want I then doubt it...By getting the opposite I then think did my mind do that because it knows I would doubt the alternative? Or is it actually God? but I think others are able to do it properly....that however is a whole different topic.

Dear Belle,

Any interpretation of the Bible apart from the guidance of the Holy Spirit is potentially geared towards error. Yes, the only correct answer you can get is from God Himself through prayers and through His Word.

It is not easy indeed to discern if something is from God or from our minds. I do think that takes a LOT of practice. But it is important to know that anything that is contrary to the Word of God is not from God, but from the devil or our own minds. Thoughts encouraging us to indulge in the flesh (be it masturbating, looking at porn, gluttony etc) is no doubt wrong and must never be allowed to linger in our minds. We are to consistently reject these thoughts and fill our minds with the Word of God and being mindful of God's commands so that we don't give in to temptations. The more we do these things, the less we give in to temptations and the more we overcome sin and the devil. Of course, we always need to PRAY, PRAY and PRAY for strength and courage that only the Lord can give us to overcome each day's temptations.

We need to fully DENY OURSELVES (that means we stop being selfish and living for ourselves), TAKE UP OUR CROSSES (by putting to death fleshly impulses) and FOLLOW CHRIST all the way. It is a race of perseverance, but we are full of witnesses in the Bible who walked in these paths and received ultimate blessings from God. Let us be like them and walk steadfastly until the end!

 

[Boidae]

OK....let us do the math:

1. Is there anything in the bible that says masturbation is a sin.

2. You sin everyday of your life believe it or not.

3. You shouldn't worry about sin too much...I think christians blow sin out of proportion...do you really think God will treat your life any different because you touch...come on now. Sin does not condemn you to hell lol.

4. Uhhh isn't it lustful thoughts that brings about masturbation.

5. Focus on the important matters really..are you harming anybody by masturbating?

I can comment on number 4.

Lustful thoughts of my wife is what causes me to MB. I only MB to thoughts of my wife.

Seems no one really could comment on whether that is wrong or not. The sin comes in when you have lustful thoughts of a woman that is not your own, in other words your wife. So if my thoughts are of my wife, where is the sin?

None that I can see, especially since MB is not a sin in of itself, but the thoughts of another woman is what causes us to sin.

 

[Terene]

I can comment on number 4.

Lustful thoughts of my wife is what causes me to MB. I only MB to thoughts of my wife.

Seems no one really could comment on whether that is wrong or not. The sin comes in when you have lustful thoughts of a woman that is not your own, in other words your wife. So if my thoughts are of my wife, where is the sin?

None that I can see, especially since MB is not a sin in of itself, but the thoughts of another woman is what causes us to sin.

Lustful thoughts in any way is wrong, because lust is of the flesh. What does the Word say?

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Aren't the two verses above telling enough that any lust of the flesh is sinful and forbidden?

 

[Terene]

Even though you may have thought of a woman and sinned, it's ok as long as you do not act upon that thought. That then becomes adultery in your case lol.

That is a lie of the devil. Jesus Himself said, even if a man looks at a woman to lust after her, he has ALREADY committed the sin of adultery. You do not know God, neither do you know how seriously God views sin. God will not excuse any sin in this world and all those who sin without repentance will suffer the wrath of God. You have not known the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

 

[Boidae]

Lustful thoughts in any way is wrong, because lust is of the flesh. What does the Word say?

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Aren't the two verses above telling enough that any lust of the flesh is sinful and forbidden?

I believe your intreptation of that scripture to be wrong when speaking of husband and wife. How do you think that sex happens between husband and wife?

When a wife puts on lingerie what do you think goes through the mind of a husband, pure thoughts? Butterflies and roses? No! What goes through a man's mind are the things that he wants to do to his wife once that lingerie is removed or even with it on.

That's what starts sex. Are you going to tell me it's wrong?

 

[Terene]

I believe your intreptation of that scripture to be wrong when speaking of husband and wife. How do you think that sex happens between husband and wife?

When a wife puts on lingerie what do you think goes through the mind of a husband, pure thoughts? Butterflies and roses? No! What goes through a man's mind are the things that he wants to do to his wife once that lingerie is removed or even with it on.

That's what starts sex. Are you going to tell me it's wrong?

It has nothing to do with who you are expressing that lust to, any lust of the flesh is wrong and ought to be crucified. I thought the verses I quoted were clear enough and don't need any interpretations? Those who belong to Christ crucifies the flesh with its lusts and affections? What other interpretations are there other than that we ought to crucify the flesh? And if the flesh is crucified, how can there still be lusts that we can indulge in?

 

[Boidae]

Terene, as I mentioned in this thread before. I have talked to God about this very thing. I have never been convicted for MB.

My wife has multiple sclerosis and if we have sex once in a month, we've had a good month. I have a huge sex drive. For me the need is at least once a week, preferably more often. I MB to relieve that need so that I'm not bugging my wife for it.

I recently prayed and talked to God about my MB again and what I was given in response is not to think of other woman as that's adultery just as you metioned. However, thoughts of my wife are fine. She is my wife, is she not? Se's not another woman and as I have already said, one must have lustful thoughts in order to initiate sex within marriage. Generally, one is not thinking of butterflies and roses in order to get in the mood for sex.

 

[Terene]

Terene, as I mentioned in this thread before. I have talked to God about this very thing. I have never been convicted for MB.

My wife has multiple sclerosis and if we have sex once in a month, we've had a good month. I have a huge sex drive. For me the need is at least once a week, preferably more often. I MB to relieve that need so that I'm not bugging my wife for it.

I recently prayed and talked to God about my MB again and what I was given in response is not to think of other woman as that's adultery just as you metioned. However, thoughts of my wife are fine. She is my wife, is she not? Se's not another woman and as I have already said, one must have lustful thoughts in order to initiate sex within marriage. Generally, one is not thinking of butterflies and roses in order to get in the mood for sex.

Alright, I am in no position to judge your conviction with God. But I hope that verse I quoted will at least be a good reminder to you when you deal with the issues of lust.

But I hope you will continue to make sure with God and to diligently search for the answers in His Word as well. It is always better to make sure than to make a grave mistake without realising it. Let the Lord be your priority, and the rest will deal with itself. Be blessed brother.

 

[Boidae]

It has nothing to do with who you are expressing that lust to, any lust of the flesh is wrong and ought to be crucified. I thought the verses I quoted were clear enough? Those who belong to Christ crucifies the flesh with ALL its lusts and passions?

You completely ignored what I said about having lustful thoughts leading to sex.

You're not married, so I'm not sure you would really understand the dynamics of what leads to sex and how that is permissable among husband and wife.

I'm trying not to get overly explicit in my words. However, I may have to get a little explicit. I'm guessing the word horny isn't too bad considering the topic.

In order to have sex, optimally both husband and wife will be horny. Generally, what kind of thoughts lead to husband and wife being horny?

I'm only speaking of married couples as sex outside of marriage is wrong.

 

[TheDag]

Lustful thoughts in any way is wrong, because lust is of the flesh. What does the Word say?

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Aren't the two verses above telling enough that any lust of the flesh is sinful and forbidden?

but you can not commit adultery with your spouse so looking at your wife lustfully is not adultery.

The first verse from galations is when read in context about not being a slave to the law but rather relying on Christ for our salvation. It is not talking about the specific lust of sexual lust and is not relevant to this topic.

For the second verse you seem to have used a different translation to the first and I was unable to find the reference. Perhaps you could mention which translation/paraphrase you are quoting or better still the scripture reference so one can look it up easily and read the context.

 

[Blueforest]

but you can not commit adultery with your spouse so looking at your wife lustfully is not adultery.

The first verse from galations is when read in context about not being a slave to the law but rather relying on Christ for our salvation. It is not talking about the specific lust of sexual lust and is not relevant to this topic.

For the second verse you seem to have used a different translation to the first and I was unable to find the reference. Perhaps you could mention which translation/paraphrase you are quoting or better still the scripture reference so one can look it up easily and read the context.

lol@not lusting for your spouse

What a passionate, exciting, sexy marriage that would be!

Jesus lusted. It's in Luke. He lusted to have the passover with his friends.

Religion and modern english have perverted the meaning of the word lust in Greek. Not ALL lust is bad.

 

[Johnnz]

It has nothing to do with who you are expressing that lust to, any lust of the flesh is wrong and ought to be crucified. I thought the verses I quoted were clear enough and don't need any interpretations? Those who belong to Christ crucifies the flesh with its lusts and affections? What other interpretations are there other than that we ought to crucify the flesh? And if the flesh is crucified, how can there still be lusts that we can indulge in?

But normal, healthy sexuality is not a lust of the flesh, any more than hunger or sleepiness are. in the NT the term 'flesh' refers to a lifestyle apart from life in the Spirit, not our human nature per se, which is God designed.

John
NZ

 

[MasterpieceMesias]

*sigh* this is why I don't deal with these types of issues anymore. They give me headaches (as if I don't get enough through the day, anyways). It can't be healthy. I'm sure there are such things as 'healthy' sexuality. But here's a question. It says in the Bible that if you look upon another woman you have already committed adultery. But with whom have I committed it against? I'm not married, nor do I ever intend to do such a pointless thing as there are more pressing issues at hand. How exactly does that apply to unmarried men? Suppose somebody lived their lives having never known a woman (sexually) and then they looked upon some girl one day and thought "Wow she has a nice butt". How exactly does that work?

 

[TheDag]

Suppose somebody lived their lives having never known a woman (sexually) and then they looked upon some girl one day and thought "Wow she has a nice butt". How exactly does that work?

My personal take on this is there is nothing wrong with saying that or thinking she's cute or thats a lovely dress. That is not lust in my opinion. Rather thinking (or saying) "lovely dress I'd love to rip that of her" is lust. My wife and I have often when in public commented to each other on others clothing or looks. For others this may be a problem and they need to stay away from those thoughts.

 

[Johnnz]

I'm sure there are such things as 'healthy' sexuality. But here's a question. It says in the Bible that if you look upon another woman you have already committed adultery. But with whom have I committed it against? I'm not married, nor do I ever intend to do such a pointless thing as there are more pressing issues at hand. How exactly does that apply to unmarried men? Suppose somebody lived their lives having never known a woman (sexually) and then they looked upon some girl one day and thought "Wow she has a nice butt". How exactly does that work?

THAT verse in Matthew in the Greek actually states that it's when a man looks at a women with the actual intent of illicit sex sits is sinful. The context as well is more about wrongful divorce by a very liberal school that merely thinking sexually anyway. It is a very badly misunderstood verse.

John
NZ

 

[MasterpieceMesias]

meh. . .