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[The Gregorian]

Anyone who believes sexual desire is always wrong (including for one's wife) has never read the Song of Solomon. Find Psalms... 3rd book after that.

 

[spr]

If it's unclean when it happens by chance, it's even worse if it happens on purpose.

If you know you shouldn't look at girls in a lustful manner, yet you struggle to be resolute, that's probably somewhat acceptable so long as there is sincere effort. But if you know you have that problem and choose to go to a strip club... yea... willful disobediance is always worse because, as scripture says, there remains 'no more sacrifice for sin'. So there will always be a period of guilt after willful sin.

Even those who don't know they are sinning still carry the weight of their sins with them, but when you acknowledge that the law is good, and choose to be resolute, Gods grace will create a way out of the devil's confusion.

 

[iambren]

Let's work from the original. The OT law of the 10 commandments included "Thou shalt not commit adultery". Now, God doesn't simply give laws willy-nilly . Why did He give that law???? Answer --to preserve the marriage, the family unit, that it wouldn't be a threat by an outsider coming into an illicit relationship between the married.

Move forward. Jesus is addressing the HEART of that law and how to guard it from committing an act that was a threat to MARRIAGE. So of course when single boys and girls grow up they will become awakened to sexual feeling (not sin), and they will feel attracted to certain opposite sex partners(not sin), and their mind will operate in sexual thought and desires (not sin). Masturbation is a normal practice that is self-nurturing and a way to deal with powerful hormones, ALL which is not sin because it is not placing in your heart the impetus to go out and commit adultery.

 

[prophecyistrue]

Let's work from the original. The OT law of the 10 commandments included "Thou shalt not commit adultery". Now, God doesn't simply give laws willy-nilly . Why did He give that law???? Answer --to preserve the marriage, the family unit, that it wouldn't be a threat by an outsider coming into an illicit relationship between the married.

Move forward. Jesus is addressing the HEART of that law and how to guard it from committing an act that was a threat to MARRIAGE. So of course when single boys and girls grow up they will become awakened to sexual feeling (not sin), and they will feel attracted to certain opposite sex partners(not sin), and their mind will operate in sexual thought and desires (not sin). Masturbation is a normal practice that is self-nurturing and a way to deal with powerful hormones, ALL which is not sin because it is not placing in your heart the impetus to go out and commit adultery.

Its lack of self control, plain and simple, those who never found it, advocate against it, those who know it can be achieved and overcome, are ridiculed and put down. If you control what you think about, you can overcome lust and the sin that comes with it. If you let your mind wander a have all the lustful freedom it wants, you will always fall when tempted

 

[Johnnz]

Its' all very well talking about self control and overcoming sin as the outcome of that. But that begs the main issue - what if it is not always or inherently sinful?

John
NZ

 

[TheDag]

Let's work from the original. The OT law of the 10 commandments included "Thou shalt not commit adultery". Now, God doesn't simply give laws willy-nilly . Why did He give that law???? Answer --to preserve the marriage, the family unit, that it wouldn't be a threat by an outsider coming into an illicit relationship between the married.

Move forward. Jesus is addressing the HEART of that law and how to guard it from committing an act that was a threat to MARRIAGE. So of course when single boys and girls grow up they will become awakened to sexual feeling (not sin), and they will feel attracted to certain opposite sex partners(not sin), and their mind will operate in sexual thought and desires (not sin). Masturbation is a normal practice that is self-nurturing and a way to deal with powerful hormones, ALL which is not sin because it is not placing in your heart the impetus to go out and commit adultery.

of course in biblical times when you started getting these sexual feelings you would be getting married

 

[GodsChild77]

Originally Posted by Blueforest

Has anyone considered castration?

I guarantee it would solve about 95% of your problems.

Castration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are doctors that will do it.

LOL, I think this statement lightened things up a bit in this forum. HeeHee!!

What is wrong with you people? How can a statement about mutilating your body be joked about? I find it ironic considering that we're sitting here trying to decide if masturbation is acceptable to God, while... I'm not completely sure what I think about about mb in some circumstances... but I'm absolutely certain that that God is not okay with us mutilating our bodies... He created them. That's destroying what God made. Joke or not, would it be okay to joke about someone who has a cutting problem? What if a disturbed person... who already struggles with sexuality as well as self mutilation... comes across this discussion?

 

[fuji]

Originally Posted by Blueforest

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What is wrong with you people? How can a statement about mutilating your body be joked about? I find it ironic considering that we're sitting here trying to decide if masturbation is acceptable to God, while... I'm not completely sure what I think about about mb in some circumstances... but I'm absolutely certain that that God is not okay with us mutilating our bodies... He created them. That's destroying what God made. Joke or not, would it be okay to joke about someone who has a cutting problem? What if a disturbed person... who already struggles with sexuality as well as self mutilation... comes across this discussion?

Welcome to the internet.

 

[Johnnz]

By the NT period the Pharisees had compiled a large volume of their 'laws' that defined Torah. For example, not working on the Sabbath. They set out and defined work - 42 headings. We see Jesus' approach to such petty legalisms - "your law says ...but I say..." I think that some of the attempts to define masturbation as sinful from Scripture are pretty much along the same lines.

I know people whose relationship with Jesus is pretty obvious who are sure Jesus has told them that it's OK to touch in their circumstances. For some that may not be the case for good reason. But I have no sound grounds to suggest they have misheard something.

John
NZ

 

[GodsChild77]

Second, anger is not a sin. I don't know where you heard that from. Anger is a normal emotion common to man and God. Even Jesus the god-man got angry.

That is very true. Anger can tempt you to sin, but anger in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. In fact anger can be an alert of your emotions that a matter needs to be addressed or attended to.

26Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath
Ephesians 4:26

 

[GodsChild77]

Welcome to the internet.

Apparently you've missed the point because you responded with a joke.

 

[prophecyistrue]

Its' all very well talking about self control and overcoming sin as the outcome of that. But that begs the main issue - what if it is not always or inherently sinful?

John
NZ

well I guess it all depends on whether or not its a sexual act or not, it is an act involving your sex organ, causing yourself to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]......Hmmm I wonder if thats a sexual act......DUH!

 

[prophecyistrue]

By the NT period the Pharisees had compiled a large volume of their 'laws' that defined Torah. For example, not working on the Sabbath. They set out and defined work - 42 headings. We see Jesus' approach to such petty legalisms - "your law says ...but I say..." I think that some of the attempts to define masturbation as sinful from Scripture are pretty much along the same lines.

I know people whose relationship with Jesus is pretty obvious who are sure Jesus has told them that it's OK to touch in their circumstances. For some that may not be the case for good reason. But I have no sound grounds to suggest they have misheard something.

John
NZ

Yeah that must of been the same Jesus who told that priest it was OK for him to have sex with the altar boy. you gotta love the new improved Jesus, He's far cooler than the Jesus we read about in the bible

 

[Johnnz]

well I guess it all depends on whether or not its a sexual act or not, it is an act involving your sex organ, causing yourself to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]......Hmmm I wonder if thats a sexual act......DUH!

Just as eating can be an act of gluttony, but eating food is not of itself sinful.

John
NZ

 

[Johnnz]

Yeah that must of been the same Jesus who told that priest it was OK for him to have sex with the altar boy. you gotta love the new improved Jesus, He's far cooler than the Jesus we read about in the bible

I find that disrespectful and totally unfounded. It says more about your character than your biblical insights I'm afraid. It's probably against the rule on flaming too I suspect.

John
NZ

 

[fields316_2000]

there are no verses in the bible regarding any person using the toilet , passing gas or having smelly feet. these are all nonfactors when they are discussing spiritual issues and biblical history- there for touching yourself is neither here nor there. i'd rather a perv handle himself than run the streets around my kids. serious. what would the point of mentioning any bible personality touching themselves?