Masons

[Root of Jesse]

That's the RC line, but it's not accurate.

Now, go ahead with your explanation of indifferentism, even though it's not applicable.

Ah, now you're a defender of Masonry.

So you're saying that Masonry says that one religion is superior to others? Which one?

Nope. That's not the case, either.

Then why do advanced degrees of the York rite swear an oath to Allah on the Quran?

That doesn't happen. BTW, how many Masonic rituals have you witnessed?

You first...are you a Mason?

Give us an example.


No, there is no such promise made.



Yes, that's true. And wow. Imagine not revealing a password or handshake. What immorality! What shockingly shamefui behavior that is!


There isn't a one of these SYMBOLIC gestures that can compete with what the RCC actually has done to innocent people merely for being suspected of heresy.

Really? What has "THE RCC" done, as in what written policy was followed, actually to innocent people merely for being suspected of heresy? Actual incidents please. Don't go for sweeping statements such as "the Inquisition", because you'd simply be wrong.
Disclaimer: There are many things that individuals did in the name of the RCC which were not sanctioned or approved by the hierarchy. There were individual atrocities done by Catholics. This is not to discount them. It has never been a policy or practice of the Catholic Church to do anything other than to convert heretics back to the one true faith.
By the way, Jack, I'd like to know more about the secret and bloody oaths and the passwords and handshakes used by the Knights of Columbus are. Can you reveal them?[/quote]

 

[timewerx]

No, there is no such promise made.

Actually, Americanvet here in CF who is a freemason admitted such practice (swearing an oath) and strongly defended his position on the matter.

You are clearly mistaken in this case, unless Americanvet is lying.

 

[americanvet]

Actually, Americanvet here in CF who is a freemason admitted such practice (swearing an oath) and strongly defended his position on the matter.

You are clearly mistaken in this case, unless Americanvet is lying.

You have taken me and him both out of context. He did not say oaths were not taken. He said oaths were not taken as described.

 

[COG2013]

I realize that there are many misrepresentations about Masons. And certainly they not are perfect. But why is there such a campaign against them. I have not know many personally who are Masons, but they seem very much like anyone else. Many of the U.S. leaders have been members of the Masons and it was at one time very prestigous to be a member of the Masons. Why the turn around

The rumors, stories and legends about Masons are rampant and mostly untrue and that is why people feel the way they do about them.

 

[timewerx]

He said oaths were not taken as described.

If it is your views that are concerned then I apologize.

However, I do agree with RoJ that oaths are immoral. We do not swear an oath even for the sake of God.

 

[timewerx]

The rumors, stories and legends about Masons are rampant and mostly untrue and that is why people feel the way they do about them.

You then agree that some of it are true... Otherwise, you would have told "all untrue"

 

[COG2013]

You then agree that some of it are true... Otherwise, you would have told "all untrue"

I didn't say that they are all true or untrue because I don't know all of them. You put words in peoples mouths. Is that how you get the answers that are acceptible to you?

 

[419gam]

Hiram Abiff is rolling over in his grave at the misinformation being spread.

 

[timewerx]

I didn't say that they are all true or untrue because I don't know all of them. You put words in peoples mouths. Is that how you get the answers that are acceptible to you?

Pardon my rash words sometimes I do get carried away in logic. It simply never crossed my mind that you don't know many things about freemasonry. Your reasoning gave me an impression you know a lot about freemasonry.

 

[Raimi Stranger]

I realize that there are many misrepresentations about Masons. And certainly they not are perfect. But why is there such a campaign against them. I have not know many personally who are Masons, but they seem very much like anyone else. Many of the U.S. leaders have been members of the Masons and it was at one time very prestigous to be a member of the Masons. Why the turn around

JFK lived to put an end to the power of evil partly mediated through free masonry's secret societies linked to the covert rulers of this world [mostly world bankers, because central banking laws give them endless power to create as much money form nothing as they require for world power] ... JFK failed because his execeutve order to take back USA's power to create its own money was destroyed after he was assassinated [rather obviously because he signed the order to take power to enslave USA from world bankers]

that is not to say that most freemasons have no idea about the men who run freemasonry to use the organisation to enslave themselves and others, in fact only the few at the top of the pyramid of evil have any idea what it will do next towards Rev 13:3-4 , the rule of Satan over this whole world and its mass religion of sinners

Obama was groomed , bought and paid for by Goldman-Sachs, and not for the interests of the masses... the connections to freemasonry are traceable ... they have no need to hide so much now they have power beyond that of many nations...control all major government election candidates worldwide... and they all swear a blood oath inconsistent with their oath of office... consider then who murders the offenders and how they get away with even killing presidents ... that is the power of evil already with us worldwide...

youtube.com/watch?v=zlghYpDx0f4

 

[Albion]

You then agree that some of it are true... Otherwise, you would have told "all untrue"

Of course. I long ago said that if saying Grace before Meals or the Lord's Prayer with people who attend other churches than you do, or if taking an oath, offends your moral sensibilities, then you should not be a Mason, and I respect that.

So there is no issue here about "some of it are true." It's the lies against Masonry that are repeated by people who know no more about the subject than that they've read something on the internet that's the problem.

 

[Albion]

Actually, Americanvet here in CF who is a freemason admitted such practice (swearing an oath) and strongly defended his position on the matter.

You are clearly mistaken in this case, unless Americanvet is lying.

It's easy to see why you have taken in all sorts of erroneous ideas about Masonry--you read what you want to read, not what is written. I said that the following is an untrue statement:

These oaths require a Christian to swear on the Holy Bible that he will uphold a code of moral conduct that prefers Masons over non-Masons,

Masons do not swear an oath that includes that provision. Masons of course swear oaths, but not that one.

 

[Albion]

I didn't say that they are all true or untrue because I don't know all of them. You put words in peoples mouths. Is that how you get the answers that are acceptible to you?

You may not know everything about Masonry, but you're obviously a fast learner.

 

[Albion]

Ah, now you're a defender of Masonry.

If you wish. I am a defender of truth and an opponent of gossip, lies, and bearing false witness. Anyone who knows me knows that I'll defend any cause or person who has been the victim of lies, misrepresentation, or discrimination.

So you're saying that Masonry says that one religion is superior to others? Which one?

Not at all. Masonry takes no stand either in favor of any religion or against any religion, except that all members (the overwhelming majority of whom are Christians) must be monotheists.

Then why do advanced degrees of the York rite swear an oath to Allah on the Quran?

They don't.

York Rite is the so-called Christian branch of Masonry, and its most "advanced degree" is a "Christians-only" order. But no oaths to any god are sworn and the Koran is not used.

Really? What has "THE RCC" done

Oh, the inqusitions, Crusades, and pogroms easily come to mind.

"By the way, Jack, I'd like to know more about the secret and bloody oaths and the passwords and handshakes used by the Knights of Columbus are. Can you reveal them?"

I didn't get your answer to this one.

 

[Raimi Stranger]

there is an oligarchy of pyramidal world control [hence the pyramid on the dollar] in politics, industry, commerce, banking, religion ,governments, all world institutions and whether explicitly known or not by any particular member, it is Satan who will control it as a man when he manifests, so it is of no consequence what is the stated religion of members today, all will accept the world religion of the Antichrist because it becomes apparently convenient or even essential to do so according to one's degree [not limited by the lower 33 levels more widely known]... - Rev 13:3-4

the all-seeing eye is supposedly the eye of God but in fact it is Satan who claims to be God and is worshipped by the whole world [except a couple of thousand or so saints] according to Jesus' revelation... so it is not very insightful not to recognise the religious dimension...

 

[Albion]

there is an oligarchy of pyramidal world control [hence the pyramid on the dollar]

As fantasies go, that's a new one on me. Most people merely think that the eye is the big deal.

That's a new one in politics, industry, commerce, banking, religion ,governments, all world institutions and whether explicitly known or not by any particular member, it is Satan who will control it as a man when he manifests, so it is of no consequence what is the stated religion of members today, all will accept the world religion of the Antichrist because it becomes apparently convenient or even essential to do so according to one's degree [not limited by the lower 33 levels more widely known]... - Rev 13:3-4

How do you know this?

the all-seeing eye is supposedly the eye of God

Not necessarily. Could be the eye of Horus or Isis or Baal or someone else. One poster said that was definitely Horus. Or it could be the eye of the Christian God. Or it could be the eye of Satan, which other people prefer. Apparently you can choose whatever you want, and that's definitely "it."

but in fact it is Satan who claims to be God and is worshipped by the whole world [except a couple of thousand or so saints] according to Jesus' revelation... so it is not very insightful not to recognise the religious dimension...

Ah. Then I'll put you down for "eye of Satan."

 

[vocalyocal]

the bottom line is if you don't know masonry is luciferon, its because your the outer circle, and you have been groomed to believe all the dark occult stuff is lies, all the while your the perfect front for what the inner circle is doing.

they're more than happy to have as many Christians to make the facade seem real, Christian masons are about the most naive people on the planet, although they do do alot of good works

kinda reminds me of how the mob went legit, its really magnificent how they dup people into running the fronts to launder their money, and keep their facade working like a well oiled machine

I think it was one of their own masons who coined the phrase a sucker is born every minute ;Pt Barnum

 

[Albion]

the bottom line is if you don't know masonry is luciferon, its because your the outer circle, and you have been groomed to believe all the dark occult stuff is lies, all the while your the perfect front for what the inner circle is doing.

That's a popular theory, but you have no way of knowing if it's true or not. It's foolproof as a conspiracy theory because there is absolutely no evidence that it's true...to which you can say "See, that only shows how well the conpiracy has kept its secrets!"

they're more than happy to have as many Christians to make the facade seem real, Christian masons are about the most naive people on the planet, although they do do alot of good works

Are you sure? Maybe you are the most naive person because bankers control the world and you write checks and have a bank account. Or maybe you are the most naive because a secret cabal of internationalists controls the world and you pay your taxes to it. Conspiracy theories are really neat as arguments because no one can DISprove them. But OTOH, in most things in life, it's what CAN be proven that we normally go by, not the most fantastic myths.

I think it was one of their own masons who coined the phrase a sucker is born every minute ;Pt Barnum

P. T. Barnum isn't known to have been a Mason, but no matter. We've already decided that facts don't matter when we're dealing with conspiracy theories.

 

[timewerx]

Of course. I long ago said that if saying Grace before Meals or the Lord's Prayer with people who attend other churches than you do, or if taking an oath, offends your moral sensibilities, then you should not be a Mason, and I respect that.

So there is no issue here about "some of it are true." It's the lies against Masonry that are repeated by people who know no more about the subject than that they've read something on the internet that's the problem.

Those conspiracies don't bother me.

It's the little things that do. I sincerely hope Christians of all people should not be risking their faith even for just a small chance they could be breaking their loyalty to God.

 

[Albion]

Those conspiracies don't bother me.

Good for you. However, they are powerfully attractive to a lot of other people. That said, you are not unlike them in being willing to believe unfounded and unproven claims.