Mark of the Beast: man has microchip implanted into hand

[MKJ]

Nope, Lutherans, like Catholics reject millenialism in all its forms.

I don't think you would hear it either from Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Methodists, or Quakers.


The group that is really big on it is the SDA.

 

[Michie]

we should be nice to our guests
many lies have been spread about the Jesuits and we should not be quick to blame people for being presented with wrong information

I saw no disrespect. Maybe I missed it.

 

[Michie]

Nope, Lutherans, like Catholics reject millenialism in all its forms.

My view of eschatology is quite simple. It's said every Sunday in the Mass:

Et iterum venturus est cum gloria
iudicare vivos et mortuos
cuius regni non erit finit.

(And He shall come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and His kingdom will never end.)

Yes. But that does not address any concerns that run so rampant in Christian thought & belief when it comes down to all these details that people question.

 

[Gnarwhal]

I wonder what a world ruled by Jesuits would be like?

I bet it would be quite a charitable world!

Nope, Lutherans, like Catholics reject millenialism in all its forms.

My view of eschatology is quite simple. It's said every Sunday in the Mass:

Et iterum venturus est cum gloria
iudicare vivos et mortuos
cuius regni non erit finit.

(And He shall come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and His kingdom will never end.)

Indeed!

 

[Wolseley]

Just don't forget to cough when Uncle Sam tells you to bend over.

Well.....actually, being asked to cough is when they check you for rupture, and you don't bend over for that; the medic has to get his hand into your groin, and bending over would make that impossible.

Bending over is when they check your prostate gland, and they insert a finger into your, um, well, you know.

I had a military doctor check my prostate gland during an exam one time, and I don't know whether he was prospecting for gold or if he just had extraordinarily long fingers, but I blinked and said, "I can feel it now, honey," and he said said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know."

 

[Michie]

Well.....actually, being asked to cough is when thy check you for rupture, and you don't bend over for that; the medic has to get his hand into your groin, and bending over would make that impossible.

Bending over is when they check your prostate gland, and they insert a finger into your, um, well, you know.

I had a military doctor check my prostate gland during an exam one time, and I don't know whether he was prospecting for gold or if he just had extraordinarily long fingers, but I blinked and said, "I can feel it now, honey," and he said said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know."

 

[Wolseley]

TMI, I know.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

There goes Meghan "the Ghost in the Machine" MKJ at it again!

This isn't a response to anything you have said, but your post made me think of it - I heard an interesting show on the radio the other day talking about technology being used to augment the human body - everything from real things like electronic hands to fantasies like uploading consciousness into a computer. they talked about this idea of implanting chips in people too, and one thing the tech guy they talked to said was that the idea of implanting them really was not all that important or even practical - it could be uncomfortable to put them in, it would make them hard to get at when required to update or remove for medical reasons, and so on. It was much more practical, he felt, for people to use their phones or something they attached to their clothes or wore as jewelery.

I think though that Mark is right that most people would not resist the basic idea of having such a chip or device. Most people don't now - even people who get worked up about this idea of a chip are already doing things that pretty much accomplish the same kind of tracking. Air-miles, point cards, cellphones.

One thing that the guy on the radio said - which may not be true but which was rather interesting - is that he thought that people liked the idea of things like implanted chips because they felt that it gave them a kind of power or made them more than they were before, as if they had more control.

 

[Caedmon]

And here I was thinking Ronald Reagan was the Beast. Man was I wrong.

 

[AMDG]

And here I was thinking Ronald Reagan was the Beast. Man was I wrong.

Yeah, the mark of the beat is some sort of chip that makes it impossible to do business and live in general unless the person has it. I think it supposedly goes with the end times prophecy that toward the end all Faith in God will basically be gone (except for a remnant)--we will be a wicked, wicked people.

When one looks at what's happening in the world right now, it *does* give one pause.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Well.....actually, being asked to cough is when they check you for rupture, and you don't bend over for that; the medic has to get his hand into your groin, and bending over would make that impossible.

Bending over is when they check your prostate gland, and they insert a finger into your, um, well, you know.

I had a military doctor check my prostate gland during an exam one time, and I don't know whether he was prospecting for gold or if he just had extraordinarily long fingers, but I blinked and said, "I can feel it now, honey," and he said said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know."

Prostate Examination - What to Expect from a Prostate Exam

This is one reason i am not applying to a urinologist's office - or a proctologists.

I want bones baby... just plain old bones. Unfortunately [no calls as of yet]
:o I am even applying to fields i can do - but dont want to do that are not medical. Not a lot of jobs available.

I can see chips needing [updated] but if a computer connects to the chip - it could update remotely - and the chip accepts all new updates.
Depending how advanced they go with it.

However; tracking will be involved.
Unlike phones, jewelry, or other external devices that can be left behind.

I think the UN will be involved - for world wide purposes of course. Already expecting [working on it] all medical records to be transferred into a world wide system so a patient who goes to China can have his records pulled up and translated for them. Which is actually a lot less time consuming - more practical to expedite the process of any known allergies and health history if someone needs meds in a facility or has an emergency. The best option would be to wear a wristlet with a number on it - a patient profile number.

We will all likely be given a world wide number and act accordingly. Kind of like a SS# in the US. Identifiable in many ways.

The whole tracing thing makes all ppl known. So technology is making harder for privacy - that and abusive leaders using tech to watch ppl as it is.
In the US it goes against all privacy.

Altho good can come from it- there is always those who abuse it.

Nonetheless; if they can do this with med records - no doubt other data systems will be put in place to keep us 'in view'.
Think credit reporting bureau on steroids.

A chip will eliminate you for a career - or whatever it could be used for. Your grades in college - boom they are right there. The next guy gets the chance - even if you are the type who needs hands on learning.
Unless somehow that is in the chip too.

But overall - i dont like it. I dont like any government - or world wide "leader" knowing my whole life in a 'NUT' - shell.

 

[L00KINGUP]

I don't know a lot about what the official Catholic position is.
I have studied the subject however and will do my best to give you the information I believe to be true.

The Catholic church and about 1/2 to 3/4 of the Protestants hold the same view about what could be characterized as end times. The view is called Amillennial. Basically, the view is that the book of Revelation and Daniel are allegory and are not to be taken literally.

The rest of the Protestants believe that the book of Revelation and Daniel should be taken literally. The view is that the mark is literal and is the only sin that cannot be forgiven.

Revelation 14:9-10
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Further, the price for not submitting to receiving the mark is death by beheading.
Revelation 20:4

4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Sorry I couldn't give you more info on the Catholic stance regarding the mark.

 

[ZaidaBoBaida]

In the Old Testament something that is a mark on your head or on your head - is actually he thoughts of your mind and the works of your hands. It's symbolic. I assume the mark of the beast will be that we will either have to accept in our minds that something really wrong is right, or act as if we think that. My mom has long believed that acceptance of homosexuality would be the mark of the beast, and I am starting to believe she is right. Basically, conservative Christians cannot own buisnesses in New Mexico anymore: N.M. Supreme Court: Photographers Can't Refuse Gay Weddings | Gleanings | ChristianityToday.com

I live in PA and have been asked in two separate job interviews (with completely different organizations) about my feelings on homosexuality.

I have another friends (also in PA) who had a gay co-worker who was getting "married." My friend doesn't believe in gay marriage, but she was afraid if she didn't go to the wedding that she would lose her job.

 

[Wolseley]

I live in PA and have been asked in two separate job interviews (with completely different organizations) about my feelings on homosexuality.

In some states, a question like that is against the law.

I have another friends (also in PA) who had a gay co-worker who was getting "married." My friend doesn't believe in gay marriage, but she was afraid if she didn't go to the wedding that she would lose her job.

If she did lose her job over that and could prove that was the reason, she could sue, and she would win.

Talk about irony....if you're a Christian running a "secular" bakery, you can lose your business for not catering to homosexual demands: your business is supposed to be neutral; yet if you're running a different type of "secular" business, you can fire Christians for refusing to take the "proper" side of this issue, neutrality be damned.

 

[ZaidaBoBaida]

In the case of the bakery (Colorado, I think) I can kind of see it. All they know is a wedding cake was ordered. All they have to do is bake it and drop it off. It's not actually any of their business if it's for a straight wedding, a gay wedding, or a pretend wedding with Cabbage Patch dolls. A photographer or a caterer would actually have to be physically present through pretty much the whole thing and conduct themselves as if they approve of the proceedings. At that point, it does become the person's business, and a religious freedom issue.

 

[Rhamiel]

I don't know a lot about what the official Catholic position is.
I have studied the subject however and will do my best to give you the information I believe to be true.

The Catholic church and about 1/2 to 3/4 of the Protestants hold the same view about what could be characterized as end times. The view is called Amillennial. Basically, the view is that the book of Revelation and Daniel are allegory and are not to be taken literally.

The rest of the Protestants believe that the book of Revelation and Daniel should be taken literally. The view is that the mark is literal and is the only sin that cannot be forgiven.

Revelation 14:9-10
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Further, the price for not submitting to receiving the mark is death by beheading.
Revelation 20:4

4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Sorry I couldn't give you more info on the Catholic stance regarding the mark.

the term Amillennial refers to Revelations 20:1-3
it talks about Satan being bound for one thousand years

Catholic Church teaches that the "thousand year reign of Christ" is now
from Christ ascending to heaven until the Final Judgment would be the "millennium" and the thousand years being symbolic of a long time

Catholics believe that the book of revelations is written in a symbolic manner, that seems clear, we do not think Jesus is a lamb with horns, but that does not mean we think it is all symbolic
most Catholic theologians believe that the "man of sin" or the anti-Christ is a real person who will be evil like no other person ever was before him

Catholics do not believe in the Rapture, we think that the talk of people being taken up is reference to the Last Judgment where all mankind will be brought before the throne of God and judged
We also do not think that references to Israel in the Book of Revelations is referring to the modern nation in the Middle East, but rather The Church, which is Spiritual Israel just as the forces of evil are Spiritual Babylon, in the book of Revelations, Babylon does not mean Iraq

there is no one singe view on how to interpret everything in Revelations though, even in the Catholic Church verses are argued over and debated