Mark of the Beast: man has microchip implanted into hand

[MKJ]

I feel so weird as a Catholic asking for the RCC's position on this because every time I ask, it just seems ignored. I realize there is no official position but seriously, there has to be some Catholic thought on this. Catholics seems to avoid Revelation like the plague. I think it's kind of bizarre.

I think there is a fair bit available from a Catholic perspective on revelation, but it all seems to stress that it is an error to understand it in a literalist way.

Here is something from Catholics Online about Pope Benedict on the topic - I don't know that it is terribly revealing but it might lead you to something more complete.

Pope Benedict : Read Book of Revelation as Christ's Victory Over Evil

 

[dogs4thewin]

Seriously. I come out of two protestant traditions, and have friends and family in others, and have never heard of people being worried that getting a microchip will be a religious issue. They might not like it, but they would not freak out that it might be the mark of the beast. I always find it really weird when people online get all worried about things like ID cards and such because it might be the mark of the beast.

So those people represent a variety Anglicans, Lutherans, Baptists, and United (Methodists/Presbyterians/Congregationalists). I just don't think it is really a representative belief of protestantism. Maybe of some fundamentalist/evangelicals.

I am Baptist and I have heard it, believe it to a certain point, would refuse to have one put in me, BUT at the same time you would need one world government for the buying and selling to work ( which at this current time we do not have).

 

[mark46]

I've been posting on OBOB for years. I have been around fairly conservative churches for decades. I have heard a lot of absurd positions.

This statement is the very most inaccurate that I have ever seen.

Within a generation, most will take such chips as a matter of course, purely for medical reasons. They will take it for granted for their children and pets.

EVERYONE won't object. EVERYONE doesn't object now.

The thing is, attempting to produce some sort of subcutaneous microchip for the mass population would be a foolish endeavor, because it's pretty well rooted in everyone's subconscious that any kind of implanted technology such as that is connected to the mark of the beast (even if it's really not).

So if you think about, it would be economic suicide for anyone to transform into a cashless society because you would have wide swaths of individuals rejecting the technology whether they fully believed it was a "mark of the beast" sort of thing or not. Some people would feel their person was being violated, others would reject it on religious principle.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I've been posting on OBOB for years. I have been around fairly conservative churches for decades. I have heard a lot of absurd positions.

This statement is the very most inaccurate that I have ever seen.

Within a generation, most will take such chips as a matter of course, purely for medical reasons. They will take it for granted for their children and pets.

EVERYONE won't object. EVERYONE doesn't object now.

I do not understand your post.

 

[MKJ]

I do not understand your post.

He is saying that most people do not automatically equate things like microchips with the maark of the beast, and that he thinks in the future they will be so common most people won't think about them.

 

[Brooklyn Knight]

If you really want to avoid this and similar technology, then, for starters, you need to stop posting on the internet, stop buying automobiles and refrain from using a cell phone. BTW, you probably should not buy computers, telephones or even most appliances.

I can understand why someone would be...cautious and you shouldn't be quick to admonish those who are a bit paranoid of them, too. Not too long ago, all the big search and software companies were exposed for spying on people through their cameras, releasing search information to third parties. Then, you have the arm of the law that can freely snoop through your email or listen in on your phone conversations.

Before that, hackers managed get into most laptops, PC, etc. that either had a plugged in or built-in camera and had a web site up and running that showed what unaware people were doing: from people watching something on the TV, to people having sex, to a mother taking care of her infant.

Complete abandonment of technology would be an impossibility for most, but there certainly are counter measures: Linux instead of Windows or OSX, using proxies, using your computer camera rarely, unplugging if not in use, using other search engines, using email addresses that don't ask for your name or ISP, etc.

Of course, what is ignored is the ENORMOUS benefits of such technology: almost no more lost dogs or cats (almost all already have the chip), no more lost children, and much more immediate response to crimes, accidents and medical emergencies. This presumes a chip that can be remotely activated.

Yeah, good luck getting the consent of everyone to have such chips placed in and also glossing over some of the pitfalls of such technology.

All animals have a chip? You have a link?

Also emergency rooms, doctors and operating rooms will have the blood types, allergies, drugs used, and medical history of all patients at the time of treatment. These chips are obvious use for all of us. However, they are very useful for dementia patients. And YES, the government could more easily track foreign students, past criminals and terrorists. "BIG BROTHER"? What this mean to most of you is "TECHNOLOGY".

You know what one should do if they have allergies or just some kind of medical ailment? Have it jotted down on a piece of paper in their wallet or purse. Have a little medallion that they can wear either as a bracelet or necklace. My dad has a stent and my uncle has a defibrillator. Neither has a problem carrying around their appropriate medical cards around.

What is amazing is that any of you think that this technology is news, other than the many ways it may be used. For example, a recent show discussed that heart patients can wear a monitor which will give his doctor medical information and alert in case if the precursors of a heart attack show up *HOURS" before a heart attack.

Yeah...a newer defibrillator that vibrates to alert the patient that they should go to a hospital.

So, avoid technology if you must. It will be difficult. These folks are called militia and survivalists.

Just don't forget to cough when Uncle Sam tells you to bend over.

 

[heavenlessstar]

Would EVERYONE not have to be able to tract everyone though? In order for there to be one world government it would need to be under ONE leader who could tract billions of people.

The goal of the Jesuit (the powers that be) are to reduce the population through wars, man-made "natural" disasters, disease, and you name it. The population has to be - and will be - dramatically reduced in the next three years (the first half of the tribulation period). Believe me, everything that the book says is going to happen is going to start soon. It's time for people to wake up, pray, and get the gospel out there more than ever.

 

[MKJ]

I can understand why someone would be...cautious and you shouldn't be quick to admonish those who are a bit paranoid of them, too. Not too long ago, all the big search and software companies were exposed for spying on people through their cameras, releasing search information to third parties. Then, you have the arm of the law that can freely snoop through your email or listen in on your phone conversations.

Before that, hackers managed get into most laptops, PC, etc. that either had a plugged in or built-in camera and had a web site up and running that showed what unaware people were doing: from people watching something on the TV, to people having sex, to a mother taking care of her infant.

Complete abandonment of technology would be an impossibility for most, but there certainly are counter measures: Linux instead of Windows or OSX, using proxies, using your computer camera rarely, unplugging if not in use, using other search engines, using email addresses that don't ask for your name or ISP, etc.

Yeah, good luck getting the consent of everyone to have such chips placed in and also glossing over some of the pitfalls of such technology.

All animals have a chip? You have a link?

You know what one should do if they have allergies or just some kind of medical ailment? Have it jotted down on a piece of paper in their wallet or purse. Have a little medallion that they can wear either as a bracelet or necklace. My dad has a stent and my uncle has a defibrillator. Neither has a problem carrying around their appropriate medical cards around.

Yeah...a newer defibrillator that vibrates to alert the patient that they should go to a hospital.

Just don't forget to cough when Uncle Sam tells you to bend over.

This isn't a response to anything you have said, but your post made me think of it - I heard an interesting show on the radio the other day talking about technology being used to augment the human body - everything from real things like electronic hands to fantasies like uploading consciousness into a computer. they talked about this idea of implanting chips in people too, and one thing the tech guy they talked to said was that the idea of implanting them really was not all that important or even practical - it could be uncomfortable to put them in, it would make them hard to get at when required to update or remove for medical reasons, and so on. It was much more practical, he felt, for people to use their phones or something they attached to their clothes or wore as jewelery.

I think though that Mark is right that most people would not resist the basic idea of having such a chip or device. Most people don't now - even people who get worked up about this idea of a chip are already doing things that pretty much accomplish the same kind of tracking. Air-miles, point cards, cellphones.

One thing that the guy on the radio said - which may not be true but which was rather interesting - is that he thought that people liked the idea of things like implanted chips because they felt that it gave them a kind of power or made them more than they were before, as if they had more control.

 

[Rhamiel]

The goal of the Jesuit (the powers that be) are to reduce the population through wars, man-made "natural" disasters, disease, and you name it. The population has to be - and will be - dramatically reduced in the next three years (the first half of the tribulation period). Believe me, everything that the book says is going to happen is going to start soon. It's time for people to wake up, pray, and get the gospel out there more than ever.

the Jesuits are a religious order
the only way that they want to reduce population is that some of the wayward Jesuits do not believe in the Church teaching on contraception lol

what we should do is pray that they have their hearts conformed to the will of Christ and will abandon some of their wrongheaded beliefs about condoms

all the rest of what you said about wars and natural disasters is outlandish

the Jesuits are mainly educators
they work in schools and as parish priests
this is their vocation, they have nothing to do with wars

 

[Michie]

The goal of the Jesuit (the powers that be) are to reduce the population through wars, man-made "natural" disasters, disease, and you name it. The population has to be - and will be - dramatically reduced in the next three years (the first half of the tribulation period). Believe me, everything that the book says is going to happen is going to start soon. It's time for people to wake up, pray, and get the gospel out there more than ever.

Huh?
The Jesuits?

Really?

 

[Michie]

Seriously. I come out of two protestant traditions, and have friends and family in others, and have never heard of people being worried that getting a microchip will be a religious issue. They might not like it, but they would not freak out that it might be the mark of the beast. I always find it really weird when people online get all worried about things like ID cards and such because it might be the mark of the beast.

So those people represent a variety Anglicans, Lutherans, Baptists, and United (Methodists/Presbyterians/Congregationalists). I just don't think it is really a representative belief of protestantism. Maybe of some fundamentalist/evangelicals.

Well you don't have to. I can only speak of my experience as you do yours. And I'm quite the spiritual mutt.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Seriously? I find that hard to believe. Many protestants of all varieties believe in an end time scenario that includes a mark that will be enforced by government. You can flip in Christian channel on TV & find someone talking about it.

Actually Michie, from my experience that belief isn't shared amongst all Protestants. It's almost exclusively the theological (if you want to even call it that) product of Non-Denominational groups and individuals who "roam alone" with their bibles and no real doctrinal or theological accountability.

Mainline Protestants tend to more or less share the same views on things such as this, or at least they don't subscribe to certain groups beliefs that the mark of the beast would be a microchip of some sort.

At least they disagree that it's some sort of future thing to be concerned of, in that the United States, or the European Union or United Kingdom will individually or collectively require their citizens to receive some sort of implant.

I've been posting on OBOB for years. I have been around fairly conservative churches for decades. I have heard a lot of absurd positions.

This statement is the very most inaccurate that I have ever seen.

Within a generation, most will take such chips as a matter of course, purely for medical reasons. They will take it for granted for their children and pets.

EVERYONE won't object. EVERYONE doesn't object now.

Well, just like you're basing your statement on your experience, I'm basing what I've said on mine. I've dialogued with individuals representing a variety of traditions and if nothing else, people are put off by the invasion of privacy and personal space that a microchip would pose.

I understand that it's possible for future generations to care less and less about this sort of thing as the presence of technology in every-day life continues to grow, but it's possible it could go the other way as well.

I mean, things—especially technology—can trend either way.

The goal of the Jesuit (the powers that be) are to reduce the population through wars, man-made "natural" disasters, disease, and you name it. The population has to be - and will be - dramatically reduced in the next three years (the first half of the tribulation period). Believe me, everything that the book says is going to happen is going to start soon. It's time for people to wake up, pray, and get the gospel out there more than ever.

Hi heavenlessstar, welcome to CF.

I just want to let you know that you're posting in "One Bread, One Body" (OBOB) the section of Christian Forums dedicated to Roman Catholics, and that it's against forum rules to teach or advocate a teaching contrary to Catholicism here. The same rules apply to all other Congregational Forums such as the The Ancient Way for Eastern Orthodox Christians, Theologica Crucis for Lutherans, Wesley's Parish for Methodists, etc.

At any rate, you're more than welcome to hang out here in OBOB in fellowship with everybody, ask questions and enjoy the camaraderie. I hope you enjoy Christian Forums!

 

[Michie]

Actually Michie, from my experience that belief isn't shared amongst all Protestants. It's almost exclusively the theological (if you want to even call it that) product of Non-Denominational groups and individuals who "roam alone" with their bibles and no real doctrinal or theological accountability.

Mainline Protestants tend to more or less share the same views on things such as this, or at least they don't subscribe to certain groups beliefs that the mark of the beast would be a microchip of some sort.

Well not in my experience & I've been around. I'm not implying that all think it will be a microchip but a mark that you must take to function in society. The microchip is only in the OP that brought the subject up.

 

[AMDG]

I remember once going to a pet board when they were discussing having micro chips but in their pets (some were show animals). One person noted that not only does the chip often migrate, but sometimes there are bodily reactions to the chip. She said that in her pet, the chip not only migrated, but caused a tumor and abscess. (She posted pictures of it too and it really looked bad.) Even if that is only a small possibility, the very fact that it *is* a possibility would make me (at least) think twice about having a chip implanted in any pet of mine or definitely anyone I cared about.

 

[MKJ]

Huh?
The Jesuits?

Really?

I wonder what a world ruled by Jesuits would be like?

 

[Michie]

I wonder what a world ruled by Jesuits would be like?

Pope Francis is Jesuit. Sounds like he has one heck of a plan.

 

[Michie]

I remember once going to a pet board when they were discussing having micro chips but in their pets (some were show animals). One person noted that not only does the chip often migrate, but sometimes there are bodily reactions to the chip. She said that in her pet, the chip not only migrated, but caused a tumor and abscess. (She posted pictures of it too and it really looked bad.) Even if that is only a small possibility, the very fact that it *is* a possibility would make me (at least) think twice about having a chip implanted in any pet of mine or definitely anyone I cared about.

Yeah I have held off on doing my dogs because of that fear of it causing some nasty problems.

 

[AMDG]

Yeah I have held off on doing my dogs because of that fear of it causing some nasty problems.

I know, I had mine tattooed instead. Choose not to go the micro chip route.

Don't think our bodies like foreign substances all that much.

 

[Needing_Grace]

Definitely not all Protestants, just those of the evangelical obsessed-with-futurist-eschatology variety.

Nope, Lutherans, like Catholics reject millenialism in all its forms.

My view of eschatology is quite simple. It's said every Sunday in the Mass:

Et iterum venturus est cum gloria
iudicare vivos et mortuos
cuius regni non erit finit.

(And He shall come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and His kingdom will never end.)

 

[Rhamiel]

we should be nice to our guests
many lies have been spread about the Jesuits and we should not be quick to blame people for being presented with wrong information