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Then why would Mary not having given birth to the Father or the Holy Spirit have anything to do with her being the Mother of God?No. (besides, that wouldn't work out mathematically either)
Because Jesus is not the Father or the Holy Spirit and vice versa.Then why would Mary not having given birth to the Father or the Holy Spirit have anything to do with her being the Mother of God?
That doesn't answer why that fact is relevant, it just restates that fact. You said it yourself: the Son is God. That statement means that the Son having a mother means God has a mother, the Son having been incarnate on earth means God was incarnate on earth, and so on.Because Jesus is not the Father or the Holy Spirit and vice versa.
No, it's stating that she bore Him in her womb and gave birth to Him. She was "the mother of my Lord" (Luke 1:43). And she is called Jesus's mother in various other places in Scripture (John 2:1, John 2:5, Acts 1:14, etc.) even by the Apostles who confessed Jesus to be God. They saw no implication of Mary pre-existing God in calling her His mother.Stating Mary is the Mother of God is stating she pre-existed God
It is because the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God.That doesn't answer why that fact is relevant, it just restates that fact. You said it yourself: the Son is God. That statement means that the Son having a mother means God has a mother, the Son having been incarnate on earth means God was incarnate on earth, and so on.
They are each God, yes.It is because the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God.
No, not unless the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are parts of God. The thing that distinguishes Trinitarianism from polytheism is the fact that each Person is fully God in Himself.To say Mary is the Mother of God, means she gave birth to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
No one here says she is.Her role was just a surrogate from the family of David the king through Nathan. She is truly blessed amongst women, but she is not deity.
No, and no.Because Jesus is not the Father or the Holy Spirit and vice versa.
Stating Mary is the Mother of God is stating she pre-existed God and gave birth to Him.
Yes, in the sense that all created things come from God. But we still talk about Jesus having come "from the seed of David" (Rom. 1:3) even though David and his seed ultimately came from God.
Because the Virgin Birth was a miraculous event that would not have come about naturally without the Holy Spirit initiating the Incarnation. The Nicene Creed says the Son "by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary."
It is regrettable that the Athanasian Creed receives so little attention today. It serves as a valuable declaration of two fundamental doctrines that the early Church needed to define precisely to counter heresy: the Holy Trinity and the Incarnation of our Lord, Jesus Christ.They are each God, yes.
No, not unless the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are parts of God. The thing that distinguishes Trinitarianism from polytheism is the fact that each Person is fully God in Himself.
You are asking for sacred things that are not discussed to be discussed. Is it not enough to understand that God tended the very bloodline of His Incarnation from Eve to Mary? God literally smited Onan for spilling the Divine bloodline. Onan didn't want to father the child of his brother, who God had also smited for being evil. By Hebrew right, if a brother dies, the of age brother of that man would marry his brother's widow to perpetuate the name of their brother. Their first born male son would be given of the dead brother's namesake. Onan didn't want this, so he interrupted the act of conception by removing himself from Tamar. God smited him for this, because Onan was spilling the seed of the Divine bloodline which God the Son would become flesh through.-Just saying this was a miraculous event does not explain what the coming of The Holy Spirit role was. So are you saying that The Holy Spirit turned Mary's seed into The Son of God.
If you are going say I am making statements like This would seem to invalidate the typology of the Incarnation:
Then state what happen.
Surrogate: "A surrogate, also known as a gestational carrier, is a person who carries a fetus to term and gives birth to a baby for another person or couple. The intended parents are the people who will raise the baby."If you said that Mary was the surrogate mother of GOD, that would be more in alignment with scripture since He was a child from The Holy Spirit.
God the Son, the Son of God, Immanuel, God with us, The WORD which was with God, was God and BECAME Flesh, was born fully the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God. His Father was God the Father, through the miraculous, immaculate work of the Holy Spirit. His Full Blown, Biological Mother, of sacred tended bloodline traced from Eve to Mary all throughout genealogies in the OT, given for this very specific purpose was/is Mary.Really? And where, may I ask is that title found in Scripture?
So, our Lord, God and Savior, The Precious Incarnation, Who is the Fullness of the Godhead bodily and the WORD/Logos (God) become Flesh, is no more than a test tube child?She was only a vessel to bring the Son into the world, hence a surrogate. She agreed to the childbirth from another.
Either Jesus is God or isn't. If you state that Jesus, God the Son, the Son of God, the Fulness of the Godhead bodily was not born God incarnate, through the literal bloodline of Mary, then you are unknowingly stating that the Old Covenant still has Power over us and the New Covenant is not instituted.Untrue.
Scripture is clear, she had to agree to the childbirth from another first instead of her husband she was pledged to, hence a surrogate.
"The Body"?The body was the sin offering to The Father, then glorified as our bodies shall be.
TrueThe Father is God
The Son is God
The Holy Spirit is God
The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit
The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son.
God the Son. Immanuel. This isn't saying that God was pre-dated by Mary, nor that Mary is Deity. It's saying that Mary Gave birth to God the Son, the only Begotten Son of God, God with us, the Fulness of the Godhead Bodily. To say that "Theotokos" is false is to say that the Incarnation is not God.Since the Father and the Holy Spirit are not the Son, and Mary only gave birth to Jesus, the Theotokos doctrine falls apart.
God is utterly ONE. You can't divide the Substance of the Trinity! God isn't 3 Gods. God the Son is literally written to be the "Fulness of the Godhead, Bodily". He is the Logos become FLESH.Paganism worships a goddess, so pointing the finger with three fingers pointing back just is what it is.
You are asking for sacred things that are not discussed to be discussed. Is it not enough to understand that God tended the very bloodline of His Incarnation from Eve to Mary? God literally smited Onan for spilling the Divine bloodline. Onan didn't want to father the child of his brother, who God had also smited for being evil. By Hebrew right, if a brother dies, the of age brother of that man would marry his brother's widow to perpetuate the name of their brother. Their first born male son would be given of the dead brother's namesake. Onan didn't want this, so he interrupted the act of conception by removing himself from Tamar. God smited him for this, because Onan was spilling the seed of the Divine bloodline which God the Son would become flesh through.
This should answer your question without having to discuss sacred things which need not be discussed.
Nobody here, and I mean nobody here says that Mary is Deity. This is gross misrepresentation of siblings in Jesus that is rooted in the Protest against the Mother Church. Just because the Protest happened, doesn't mean that the truth about The Living Truth should be scrapped.Her role was just a surrogate from the family of David the king through Nathan. She is truly blessed amongst women, but she is not deity.
Because it's not necessary to specify sacred things of this nature. The word's Biological Mother of God the Son, the Son of God Who is the Fulness of the Godhead bodily should answer your question.-Why are you giving you opinion to a question I asked another poster. I am looking for his reply.
I think it is a great stretch to suggest that because there was a local church in Rome, and the New Testament includes Paul's letter to that local church, somehow proves that the Roman Catholic denomination was established in the first century. We don't read anywhere in the bible that the local church at Rome had any authority over any other local church, or that its pastor was some kind of proto-pope.The Bible includes a letter known as "Romans," directed to the Christians in Rome, which clearly indicates that the Roman church was established in the first century. It is futile to consider your claim when the most evident proof is within the Bible itself, the very text that Protestants regard as the sole infallible authority of faith.
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