Marian Apparitions...

[Bouke285]

There are many people who agree with him on the abbusive husband thing. I am not one of them. They say marriage is a commitment for life, that no matter what happens unless it is adultory you should stay together. This is what is said in the Bible. The way I see it why would you have to stay with a maniac husband/wife if you married them not knowing about this side? My point is I wouldn't label someone unsourcefull because they say something you don't agree with. There are many places that I get my info from who say things I don't totally agree with.

 

[narnia59]

I'm affraid you misunderstood his repentance article, or at least didnt' read the whole thing. He is clearly saying that you can still sin once you are saved and you won't lose salvation.
Biblical Repentance
So does a person need to REPENT to be saved? Of course, but not the type of repentance that the Lordship Salvation crowd is propagating. There is a common misunderstanding about Biblical repentance. Many sincere people believe that repentance means to "cease from committing sin," but it does not. Ceasing from sin is a by product of repentance. Doing righteousness is also a by-product of repentance. Repentance is "a change of mind" that should eventually lead to a changed life. For some people, it is right away; yet other may take much longer. Some people are very slow to change, but ultimately they become the best Christians, because they are... slow to change. Everybody responds differently. It is one's attitude towards sin and the Savior that first change at the time of salvation, not necessarily the departing from sin. Repentance begins in the heart, not in our lifestyle.
Biblical repentance is a "turn around" (U-TURN). Salvation does NOT hinge on departing from our sins, but rather upon getting our sins forgiven. 1st Peter 2:2 speaks of growing in the Lord... as new born babes. Surely, you wouldn't expect a little baby to walk around the house, let alone run? When a lost sinner comes to Christ for salvation, the salvaging process only begins. Salvation is more than being saved. When we receive Jesus Christ as our personal Savior, we instantly become a child of God and our name is written in Heaven. But now the lifelong process of growing in the Lord begins. Just as a baby is physically born into the world and grows for the rest of his or her life, so does a spiritually born (i.e., born again) person grow throughout the remainder of their life. Sadly, many believers are midgets, suffering from stunted growth. Every Christian needs the milk of God's Word to grow into a healthy mature believer.
Jesus Promised Never to Turn Anyone
Jesus clearly said that he WILL forgive all who come to Him...

Read further through his stuff. This is not about still sinning after salvation because we are all human and fall. His theology is that one does not even have to be willing to turn away from sin at all in order to be saved. That willingness to turn your life over to Christ constitutes a 'work'.

Satan has succeeded in corrupting the simplicity of the Gospel in many of today’s religious circles. There is a popular teaching nowadays (aka Lordship Salvation) that requires lost sinners to be willing to turn from their sins as a prerequisite to salvation. Nothing could be further from the truth of God’s Word. How can anything be a “gift” if one must be willing to do anything to get it?

http://jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/eternal_life.htm

Ray Comfort is a heretic! He clearly states... "You must turn away from sin" to be saved. Say what you will... anyone who teaches that a lost sinner MUST forsake their sins to be saved is a LIAR. Romans 4:5 couldn't be any clearer on this matter... "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." It is sad that the simplicity of salvation, i.e., the Gospel, has been perverted in so many ways today. It is a shame that someone like Ray Comfort, who is a dynamic and charming speaker, and a nice guy, is preaching a false gospel to the masses. Perhaps Mr. Comfort does it ignorantly; but nevertheless, he is teaching works salvation.
There is absolutely nothing in the Word of God which requires a person to "surrender your life to Jesus Christ" to be saved. It is a damnable heresy to require people to make a commitment to Christ to be saved. Jesus DIDN'T ask us to surrender our life to Him to be saved; He asked us to BELIEVE on Him (John 3:16).
http://jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/ray_comfort.htm

 

[Bouke285]

Ok Sorry, I should have researched this guy further, but I saw the article that I agreed with and thought it would fit for this discussion. I still don't agree with the catholic view of praying to Mary, or anyone other than God. This is my official close I will no longer post in this thread.

 

[narnia59]

There are many people who agree with him on the abbusive husband thing. I am not one of them. They say marriage is a commitment for life, that no matter what happens unless it is adultory you should stay together. This is what is said in the Bible. The way I see it why would you have to stay with a maniac husband/wife if you married them not knowing about this side? My point is I wouldn't label someone unsourcefull because they say something you don't agree with. There are many places that I get my info from who say things I don't totally agree with.

Mr. Stewart will tell you that it's not Biblical to divorce even in the case of adultery.

I am thankful that you are not one of those who thinks this way. And while I understand that people can honestly disagree, and you might choose to utilize someone else's thoughts on one topic and say you disagree with them on another, in my view because of the nature of his opinions on certain topics, leveraging his work is damaging to any point you're trying to make. I'm sure I could pick out several 'characters' throughout time that I could find agreement with on certain topics, but would never want to align myself with them on any topic because of the nature of who they are and what they profess to believe in other areas that I would find to be unacceptable. Just my two cents.

 

[Sphinx777]

 

[Mary of Bethany]

Sphinx,

I have that very Icon beside my bed.

Mary

 

[RMDY]

I believe it is quite plausible that the mary apparitions deceptions from a certain angel of light...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Great thread so far! A similar type thread was just started on the GT board

http://www.christianforums.com/t7490240/
What if Mary appeared to you?

 

[godisreal36]

Seems downright scary how some flock to water and rust stains...I saw one where they had a whole shrine like setup were there pictures/candles and they were praying before the pictures and the water stain..The scriptures warn about seeking ater signs and how blessed are those with faith even tho they don't see signs..One thing with deception in the last days is that the elect won't be deceived....peace to you ..nab

All things work for the good of those that love God...even a cheese sandwich with Jesus picture in it or rust and water stains, the key is in the eye of the beholder and the strength of their faith.

Jesus is the authority brother and Hes found in all things to those who have strong faith.

I'm not saying Jesus is in those signs necessarily, just saying He could be.

 

[xfisherman]

Until today nobody can tell me how Mary or our Lord Jesus look like,can anyone do it? I doubt it. So all the pictures where do they come from?

 

[JoabAnias]

Here ya go, enjoy:

Holy Face of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• The Holy Face Association
• The Holy Face at the Catholic Tradition
• Holy Face Devotion in the UK
• Holy Face of "Volto-Santo"
• Capuchin Monastery devoted to "Volto-Santo"
• St. Therese of Lisieux and the Holy Face of Jesus
• Apostlate in NY, USA

Images for shroud of turin

Computer recreates Jesus' face for History Channel - NYPOST.com

 

[laconicstudent]

And more,

Image Not-made-by-hands - OrthodoxWiki

 

[JoabAnias]

Here ya go, enjoy:


Holy Face of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• The Holy Face Association
• The Holy Face at the Catholic Tradition
• Holy Face Devotion in the UK
• Holy Face of "Volto-Santo"
• Capuchin Monastery devoted to "Volto-Santo"
• St. Therese of Lisieux and the Holy Face of Jesus
• Apostlate in NY, USA

Images for shroud of turin

Computer recreates Jesus' face for History Channel - NYPOST.com

Wanted to add:

Veil of Veronica

The Veil of Veronica: Fact or Fiction?

Images for veil of veronica

 

[addo]

I think they're fake.

 

[Amylisa]

Thanks for those wonderful links Joab!!

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

I think they're fake.

I was thinking along the lines of a deception from the devil, perhaps. Does Matthew 24:23-24 apply here? What do you think, addo?

 

[WarriorAngel]

I was thinking along the lines of a deception from the devil, perhaps. Does Matthew 24:23-24 apply here? What do you think, addo?

Apparitions may be false....
BUT if they are in line with the Church teaches, they are more likely not false.
Coming with a new gospel would be deceptive one.
If an angel come with a different gospel, they are anathema.

Church teachings are historical, so the Church knows which is false. Her magisterium does not change like the wind...
so if something is different, or the seerer seems otherwise apathetic to the obedience of the Church...and other factors - it is with that they are determined.

 

[JoabAnias]

Thanks for those wonderful links Joab!!

Your welcome.

Here is another that I have always found quite remarkable:

Our Lady of Zeitoun

The apparitions were also witnessed by President Gamal Abdel Nasser, and captured by newspaper photographers and Egyptian television. Investigations performed by the police could find no explanation for the phenomenon. No device was found within a radius of fifteen miles capable of projecting the image, while the sheer number of photographs from independent sources suggests that no photographic manipulation was involved. Having been unable to produce an alternative explanation for the luminous sightings, the Egyptian government accepted the apparitions as true.[3]

Our Lady of Zeitoun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Apparitions of Virgin Mary at Zeitoun Church, Egypt, with Real Photos

 

[WarriorAngel]

That apparition caused Muslims to convert.

 

[simonthezealot]

That apparition caused Muslims to convert.

To what?

Apparitions don't convict people the Holy Spirit does...

Just another case of usurping glory due God alone.