Marian Apparitions...

[Amylisa]

I believe in the apparitions that the Church has approved. And ones such as Fatima have proven themselves, anyway!

 

[lionroar0]

I believe in the apparitions that the Church has approved. And ones such as Fatima have proven themselves, anyway!

Yep

Peace

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I believe in the apparitions that the Church has approved. And ones such as Fatima have proven themselves, anyway!

Greetings! Do the Orthodox agree with those apparitions the RCC has approved of? Just curious....

 

[Amylisa]

Greetings! Do the Orthodox agree with those apparitions the RCC has approved of? Just curious....

Honestly I don't know. Perhaps somebody else here would? I have no knowledge of Eastern Orthodox.

 

[Rhamiel]

well all Apparitions are under the catagory privet revelation, so even Church approved ones do not have to be believed, the Church is just saying there is nothing heretical about the apperition

 

[Photini]

Greetings! Do the Orthodox agree with those apparitions the RCC has approved of? Just curious....

There is no "official" opinion. AFAIK, the only Marian apparition that we celebrate is the Holy Protection of the Theotokos. She appeared over the Blachernae church (where some of her relics were kept) in Constantinople and those that saw her said that she was praying and when she finished, she spread her veil out over the city. That happened in the 10th century.

 

[Mary of Bethany]

Greetings! Do the Orthodox agree with those apparitions the RCC has approved of? Just curious....

It's not our call.

Mary

 

[RMDY]

It takes more then that to offend me, I am just going to focus on Fatima, because I am more familiar with that then I am with other examples. Mary gave us this prayer "[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy." I do not think a devil could tell children to pray such a prayer, I know the devils have tricks and will pose as an angel of light, but I do not think it could tell people to ask the Lord to save us and others[/FONT]

Unless of course Mary somehow bastardized how people interpret the gospel.
Mormons, JW, and others also claim that Jesus died for them and talk about sin forgiveness. I put up a topic about why I believe the Mary apparitions are demonic in origin.

 

[Rhamiel]

Unless of course Mary somehow bastardized how people interpret the gospel.
Mormons, JW, and others also claim that Jesus died for them and talk about sin forgiveness. I put up a topic about why I believe the Mary apparitions are demonic in origin

but I do not think the false beliefs of the Mormons or the JW came from the devil. Joe Smith was not demonic, he was just a charlitan and a fake, but I have no reason to think his ideas were from the Devil and not just sinful desire for power

 

[lionroar0]

Just an FYI. Catholics do no worship Mary and are not held to private revelations.

Peace

 

[Photini]

I doubt you even know what the Rosary is or what it consists of Bouke. Catholics absolutely do not worship Mary.

 

[Bouke285]

I doubt you even know what the Rosary is or what it consists of Bouke. Catholics absolutely do not worship Mary.

The prayers consist of repeated sequences of the Lord's Prayer followed by ten praying of the Hail Mary and a single praying of "Glory Be to the Father"; each of these sequences is known as a tricade. The praying of each decade is accompanied by meditation on one of the Mysteries of the Rosary,

What would you call it then? Slight guidance by a mystical being completely man made, demonic, and backed up by no biblical evidence whatsoever? That does sound a little bit better now that I think about it.

 

[Photini]

The prayers consist of repeated sequences of the Lord's Prayer followed by ten praying of the Hail Mary and a single praying of "Glory Be to the Father"; each of these sequences is known as a tricade. The praying of each decade is accompanied by meditation on one of the Mysteries of the Rosary,

What would you call it then? Slight guidance by a mystical being completely man made, demonic, and backed up by no biblical evidence whatsoever? That does sound a little bit better now that I think about it.

So...you found your answer on Wikipedia then? I found you copied that verbatim...except you left out the last part.

The prayers consist of repeated sequences of the Lord's Prayer followed by ten praying of the Hail Mary and a single praying of "Glory Be to the Father"; each of these sequences is known as a tricade. The praying of each decade is accompanied by meditation on one of the Mysteries of the Rosary, which are events in the lives of Jesus Christ and his mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosary

Nice work there.

 

[Rhamiel]

David J. Stewart said

In fact, the Bible clearly states in Matthew 11:11 that there has never been a child born amongst women greater than John the Baptist. And no wonder, because John the Baptist prepared the people for the coming of the Savior--Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world (John 1:29). Yet, Catholics sinfully worship Mary, bowing to her statue as if she's a god.

oh we like John the Baptist too

the word "Rosary" is NOT a Bible term.

neither is "calvinist" or "alter call" but people seem to like those things too, also Catholics never said the word rosary is in the Bible, the devotion came about in the Middle Ages, this is a personal devotion and they come and go.

Jesus condemned vain repetition in Matthew 6:7.

before His Passion He prayed the same words three times, Jesus was human as well as God, so the fact He prayed the same thing three times in a row with the same words makes me think some repitition might be good for the human soul or mind, the Pagans thought there prayers were like magic, that through Repitition they could make the gods do things, Christian prayer is not about force but about thankinggiving to our God and wanting to be more like him, so Christian prayers are not vain, even if some of them are repititous

Oh! Listen my friend, the Catholic Church is a prisonhouse of religion!...From the cradle to the casket, the Catholic Church offers people a package deal;

we like to think of it more as an Ark protecting us from the changing waters of this World

You cannot show me even one Scripture from the Word of God where we are told to trust in Mary, by reciting the Rosary to be saved.

we are not saved by Mary or by her Rosary, we are saved by Christ, but proper devotion to the Rosary is devotion to Mary and proper devotion to Mary is devotion to Christ. Imagine you saw a vision of Jesus and he told somebody "get in that car and you will be saved" would you go "ahhhh thats a demon because no where in the Bible does it talk about cars, cars are not part of salvation" well in that car was a man preaching the Gospel, same with the Rosary, the mysteries of the Rosary cover the life of Jesus, to pray the Rosary is to medidtate on His word.

 

[Bouke285]

Proper "devotion"? you just said it yourself for catholics to be devoted to Christ first they have to be devoted to Mary. This would be called worship.
Tell me this, if you took your Mary out of the picture what would this mean for catholics? How would you get to heaven?

Oh and getting in a car to hear someone preach the gospel is a little bit different than worshiping false gods.

 

[Bouke285]

So...you found your answer on Wikipedia then? I found you copied that verbatim...except you left out the last part.





Nice work there.

Yes I got my definition of the Rosary of wikipedia, so what? Also I didn't leave out anything but the defenition of what the 20 mysteries of the rosary are. I proved nothing other than the catholics have to pray a certain way a certain amount of times to mary before they can become devoted to Christ.

 

[Rhamiel]

Proper "devotion"? you just said it yourself for catholics to be devoted to Christ first they have to be devoted to Mary. This would be called worship.
Tell me this, if you took your Mary out of the picture what would this mean for catholics? How would you get to heaven?

you do not have to first be devoted to Mary, I am sure the Good Thief on the Cross had no idea who Mary was, he only knew our Lord Jesus Christ.
At the wedding in Cana, Mary told the stewards to do whatever her Son told them, that is what Mary does, she points to the Lord. If Catholics did not know about Mary, well they would have one less example of a good Christian who they could try and emulate. We do not think that she gets us into heaven.
Devotion does not mean worship, a man is devoted to his wife and kids, he loves them and he wants to be a better husband and father, not all the time there are some horrible men who have kids, but a good husband with "proper devotion" wants to be a better man for his family
well "proper devotion" to Mary means we want to be like her, she was meek, she paryed for the Lords justice and she submited to His will.
Now back to the family analogy, the man with a family wants to be a better man because he is not just living for himself but he has people dependant on him, without his family he still might be a good person, but he is a little spiritualy poorer, well without Mary the Catholic Church would be a little spiritualy poorer. We would still have salvation, because Salvation comes from the Lord, not from Mary, but it would not be the same, no I do not think it would be the same at all

 

[Rhamiel]

Yes I got my definition of the Rosary of wikipedia, so what? Also I didn't leave out anything but the defenition of what the 20 mysteries of the rosary are. I proved nothing other than the catholics have to pray a certain way a certain amount of times to mary before they can become devoted to Christ

we do not have to pray the rosary at all
we are free in Christ, some Catholics do not like to pray the rosary, it is not there style, they are still Catholic, not praying the Rosary does not make you "less Catholic"
did you read about the 20 mysteries of the Rosary? they are about the life of Christ and focus on Him, the only two you might have problems with are the last two. But the Catholic Church looks at Mary as almost a symbol of the Church, we think Mary was assumed into heaven and crowned Queen of heaven, but is not everyone who is saved going to go up into Heaven? with the resurection of the Body? are we not all co-heirs with Christ?
Jesus is God and Man, there is no shock He went up into Heaven, but Mary is just human, God preformed these miricles to show us how much He loves us and the good things He has in store for all Christians, not just His Son

 

[Bouke285]

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[Rhamiel]

You left out the last part of Matthew 11:11 but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Jesus was already in the kingdom of heaven so he is greater than John so your explenation doesn't really work here
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dude, what you had attributed to me was me quoting from your post you posted that James Stewart guy, I just said Catholics like John the Baptist too