Manly man, and girly girl..

[SnowyMacie]

I'm OK with it as long as you won't bash me for not wanting to be the protector and provider.

I agree with you, take down this hierarchy! I wanna be more feminine and wear makeup without being in the centre of negative attention!

I won't bash you. You do you man.

 

[axydavid]

I was going to mention that, but I didn't because, um.... reasons. Some things aren't appropriate for CF that the rules don't mention.

Someone might be reported, I won't tho, I have faith that people can understand their wrongs simply by discussion.

 

[MehGuy]

I have no problem with that, what I do have a problem with is when people take it steps further and see more "feminine" men as lesser men cause that's when, in my opinion, you're offending women.

I'd say guys feel more pressure to be masculine from other women.

A guy showing his feminine side may be charming to the ladies to a point, but if he takes it overboard his dating prospects can severely diminish.

I can't tell you the amount of times I have seen women chew out a guy for not acting masculine enough. If we're going to point fingers it has to be towards both genders.

 

[Rhamiel]

I'd say guys feel more pressure to be masculine from other women.

this

 

[MehGuy]

this

Most likely biological/evolutionary reasons.

More pressure on us to be tough.

As far as women go, I don't think there has ever been the same type of pressure. So we are able to give them more leeway on how to act. Many men find masculine type women to be hot, but many women find feminine men to be a total turn off. You can't really blame your biology, but to blame it on a patriarchy is a little disingenuous.

No, I do not think that it is the same as a Furry
it is an adult male who likes the kids cartoon "My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic"
(though there is probably a good bit of overlap in those two groups? just a guess on my part)

the point on this thread is, you often hear from our "enlightened" cultural figures or feminists or whoever that men should be
less confrontation, less aggressive, less ego driven, focus more on cooperation instead of viewing everyone as a rival, not so hung up on gender norms
stuff like that

then we had a segment of the population that started to like this show
I never really watched it, but a lot of guys in their 20's said that it was just a nice show to watch when you wanted to relax
the characters had their own personality, the art and story lines were well done, it was actually funny
just a neat show to watch and chill out to
this show focuses on cooperation and friendship and forgiveness
all stuff that guys are told they should focus more on
and if a guy watches it, he is not following traditional gender stereotypes (which we are told are a bad thing)
and if you admit to being a fan of this show, you are assumed to be a pervert, a pedophile, a freak, or a looser of some kind
these claims often come from the same feminists who claim they want men less focused on gender stereotypes and more open to cooperation?

Just reason 3536356354635 to not take most feminists seriously..

 

[axydavid]

Most likely biological/evolutionary reasons.

More pressure on us to be tough.

As far as women go, I don't think there has ever been the same type of pressure. So we are able to give them more leeway on how to act. Many men find masculine type women to be hot, but many women find feminine men to be a total turn off. You can't really blame your biology, but to blame it on a patriarchy is a little disingenuous.


Just reason 3536356354635 to not take most feminists seriously..

"Many men find masculine type women to be hot" I'd like to see your sources on this, because as far as I perceive the world it's not true.
Feminists in Europe usually are more level headed, unfortunately it did not stop the naked hypocrisy to spread to us

 

[MehGuy]

"Many men find masculine type women to be hot" I'd like to see your sources on this, because as far as I perceive the world it's not true.
Feminists in Europe usually are more level headed, unfortunately it did not stop the naked hypocrisy to spread to us

Yeah, plenty of men find confident, tough, stoic, and less empathic women to be hot.

As far as physical goes, most men don't want to date a woman who could win the world's strongest woman contest. Lol.

I'd give some better examples, but I don't want to be modded lol.

Feminists are more headed in Europe? I've read many of them want to pass laws that would make it hate speech to criticize feminism. Unfortunately for them, it would be tougher for them to do it here. Might just be hysteria, never looked into the issue too deeply.

 

[Messy]

Yeah, plenty of men find confident, tough, stoic, and less empathic women to be hot.

As far as physical goes, most men don't want to date a woman who could win the world's strongest woman contest. Lol.

I'd give some better examples, but I don't want to be modded lol.

Feminists are more headed in Europe? I've read many of them want to pass laws that would make it hate speech to criticize feminism. Unfortunately for them, it would be tougher for them to do it here. Might just be hysteria, never looked into the issue too deeply.

Really? I thought we had that time decades ago. Everything is equal here, so much that a lot of women say they hate feminism.

 

[axydavid]

I am human.

"Yeah, plenty of men find confident, tough, stoic, and less empathic women to be hot."
For some reason I smell a complex going on here. Firstlly there is makeup, secondlly there is mainstream music, thirdly there is the majority of internet if you know what I mean. Much of it does not show women in a strong light.
"As far as physical goes, most men don't want to date a woman who could win the world's strongest woman contest. Lol."
This sound like a more down-to-earth affirmation. I definitely second this.
UK is minamerica for me, that aside america sucks when it comes to freedom of speech, you take pride in the fact that you are a free country, however you fail to deliver the expected results. Talking about laws, the divorce laws in america and UK are crazy and definitely not gender equal. I'm sorry for attacking your country, but it really bugs me that people consider america an open country when that is no longer the truth.

 

[MehGuy]

"Yeah, plenty of men find confident, tough, stoic, and less empathic women to be hot."
For some reason I smell a complex going on here.
"As far as physical goes, most men don't want to date a woman who could win the world's strongest woman contest. Lol."
This sound like a more down-to-earth affirmation. I definitely second this.
UK is minamerica for me, that aside america sucks when it comes to freedom of speech, you take pride in the fact that you are a free country, however you fail to deliver the expected results. Talking about laws, the divorce laws in america and UK are crazy and definitely not gender equal. I'm sorry for attacking your country, but it really bugs me that people consider america an open country when that is no longer the truth.

What complex?

I like masculine and feminine women.

Attack my country all you want. I don't care. I'm just repeating what I've heard feminists from Europe complain about.

 

[MehGuy]

Really? I thought we had that time decades ago. Everything is equal here, so much that a lot of women say they hate feminism.

Hope that's, true. Lol.

 

[Messy]

the divorce laws in america and UK are crazy and definitely not gender equal.

Yep, really insane. Men have to fight for their rights instead of women.

 

[_sunshinegirl]

Are there any gender roles/traits you do that are the opposite of your gender?

Yes, I don't think women should be the only ones to clean and I don't think that only men can handle finances.

 

[axydavid]

What complex?
I like masculine and feminine women.
Attack my country all you want. I don't care. I'm just repeating what I've heard feminists from Europe complain about.

It's important to understand why there is a need of feminism in a fairly gender equal society. A feminist should empower itself, if they complain too much they are some whiny teenagers, period(literally and fictionally).

 

[Messy]

Yes, I don't think women should be the only ones to clean and I don't think that only men can handle finances.

Even the most bossy Dutch men who are all for 'I am the boss because the Bible says so' still suck the dust, lol.

 

[MehGuy]

It's important to understand why there is a need of feminism in a fairly gender equal society. A feminist should empower itself, if they complain too much they are some whiny teenagers, period(literally and fictionally).

I'm not sure what you mean..

 

[axydavid]

Even the most bossy Dutch men who are all for 'I am the boss because the Bible says so' still suck the dust, lol.

If we are to be accurate the biblee tells us that jesus is the mens boss followed by him being the womens boss, so a good couner would be:
"I admire the fact that you follow the bible so closely, did you submit all of your desires to God today? Welcome to the heretics club."

 

[Messy]

Hope that's, true. Lol.

http://womenagainstfeminism.tumblr.com/

 

[axydavid]

I'm not sure what you mean..

Most western countries have fairly gender equal society thus feminism is not needed that much there.
Feminism is about empowerment of women, whining about bigotry is not what I'd call empowerment, but a 14 years old rebellion against their parents.

 

[Hawthorne]

Feminists in Europe usually are more level headed, unfortunately it did not stop the naked hypocrisy to spread to us

I find that difficult to believe unless FEMEN are an anomaly of the highest degree. (Those unfamiliar with this group, please do not Google... Trust me on this.)

If we are to be accurate the biblee tells us that jesus is the mens boss followed by him being the womens boss, so a good couner would be:
"I admire the fact that you follow the bible so closely, did you submit all of your desires to God today? Welcome to the heretics club."

If we are to be accurate, Paul says this:

Ephesians 5:21-33 --

Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. Even so husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no man ever hates his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." This is a great mystery, and I mean in reference to Christ and the church; however, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

Is it still unclear? Allow St. John Chrysostom make it crystal clear... I think you will find the brunt of the effort is on the husband.

Pay attention to love’s high standard. If you take the premise that your wife should submit to you as the church submits to Christ, then you should also take the same kind of careful, sacrificial thought for her that Christ takes for the Church. Even if you must offer your own life for her, you must not refuse. Even if you must undergo countless struggles on her behalf and have all kinds of things to endure and suffer, you must not refuse. Even if you suffer all this, you have still not done as much as Christ has for the church. For you are already married when you act this way, whereas Christ is acting for one who has rejected and hated him. So just as he, when she was rejecting, hating, spurning and nagging him, brought her to trust him by his great solicitude, not by threatening, lording it over her or intimidating her or anything like that, so you must also act toward your wife. Even if you see her looking down on you, nagging and despising you, you will be able to win her over with your great love and affection for her.