Manly man, and girly girl..

[SnowyMacie]

lol should I bring up the topic of bronies?

No

 

[fromtheAsh]

like women who act more "masculine" or at least are interested in stuff men are traditionally interested in are seen as "cool" or at least respected

like that is almost seen as "better"

men who act in more feminine ways are still looked down on

In my opinion, this is what is sexist. It's subtle misogyny. I came across an article posted in another subforum that said it's sinful for men to be feminine, but tomboys are "another expression of femininity", even though it defined feminine as "soft and delicate".

 

[Rhamiel]

In my opinion, this is what is sexist. It's subtle misogyny. I came across an article posted in another subforum that said it's sinful for men to be feminine, but tomboys are "another expression of femininity", even though it defined feminine as "soft and delicate".

it is a subtle form of sexism
just how there is subtle racism, our culture gives preference to European or "white" attributes (both physical and social)

 

[fromtheAsh]

it is a subtle form of sexism
just how there is subtle racism, our culture gives preference to European or "white" attributes (both physical and social)

Exactly. People usually don't give me a second look if I'm wearing a tank-top and men's basketball shorts, but if I was a dude and wearing a t-shirt and skirt, I'd get them.

 

[Toro]

lol should I bring up the topic of bronies?

Is that on the same level of something called a "Furry"?

Apparently, my friends step.... nephew.... is one.... only explanation I got is, this is a grown man..... that likes to dress up in a cougar costume.

Im a live and let live kinda guy........ but.... what is up with this world? Its getting to the point where my level of madness is the new sane.

I mean yeah, they aren't hurting anyone I guess..... but... there is a part of me that wants to ask "Why?" so I can understand. Not cause I want to become one or do it.... but....... understanding is the first step to acceptance. Not that Id agree with it but seriously. I didnt even wanna dress up as something cute and fluffy when I was a child.

Now, grown men dressing as ninjas..... well heck. Who could blame them? Ninjas are awesome, but...... I still don't wanna dress up as one.

 

[Rhamiel]

Is that on the same level of something called a "Furry"?

Apparently, my friends step.... nephew.... is one.... only explanation I got is, this is a grown man..... that likes to dress up in a cougar costume.

Im a live and let live kinda guy........ but.... what is up with this world? Its getting to the point where my level of madness is the new sane.

I mean yeah, they aren't hurting anyone I guess..... but... there is a part of me that wants to ask "Why?" so I can understand. Not cause I want to become one or do it.... but....... understanding is the first step to acceptance. Not that Id agree with it but seriously. I didnt even wanna dress up as something cute and fluffy when I was a child.

Now, grown men dressing as ninjas..... well heck. Who could blame them? Ninjas are awesome, but...... I still don't wanna dress up as one.

No, I do not think that it is the same as a Furry
it is an adult male who likes the kids cartoon "My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic"
(though there is probably a good bit of overlap in those two groups? just a guess on my part)

the point on this thread is, you often hear from our "enlightened" cultural figures or feminists or whoever that men should be
less confrontation, less aggressive, less ego driven, focus more on cooperation instead of viewing everyone as a rival, not so hung up on gender norms
stuff like that

then we had a segment of the population that started to like this show
I never really watched it, but a lot of guys in their 20's said that it was just a nice show to watch when you wanted to relax
the characters had their own personality, the art and story lines were well done, it was actually funny
just a neat show to watch and chill out to
this show focuses on cooperation and friendship and forgiveness
all stuff that guys are told they should focus more on
and if a guy watches it, he is not following traditional gender stereotypes (which we are told are a bad thing)
and if you admit to being a fan of this show, you are assumed to be a pervert, a pedophile, a freak, or a looser of some kind
these claims often come from the same feminists who claim they want men less focused on gender stereotypes and more open to cooperation?

 

[fromtheAsh]

Is that on the same level of something called a "Furry"?

Apparently, my friends step.... nephew.... is one.... only explanation I got is, this is a grown man..... that likes to dress up in a cougar costume.

Im a live and let live kinda guy........ but.... what is up with this world? Its getting to the point where my level of madness is the new sane.

I mean yeah, they aren't hurting anyone I guess..... but... there is a part of me that wants to ask "Why?" so I can understand. Not cause I want to become one or do it.... but....... understanding is the first step to acceptance. Not that Id agree with it but seriously. I didnt even wanna dress up as something cute and fluffy when I was a child.

Now, grown men dressing as ninjas..... well heck. Who could blame them? Ninjas are awesome, but...... I still don't wanna dress up as one.

I did a research project into Furries in college, there just people who are really into anthropomorphism of animals. Heck, imagine if you knew nothing about football and saw these guys:

 

[Toro]

I did a research project into Furries in college, there just people who are really into anthropomorphism of animals. Heck, imagine if you knew nothing about football and saw these guys:

Im into football, yet I still dont get those people.Vikings fans? Why?

But hey, whatever floats their boat.

 

[Toro]

No, I do not think that it is the same as a Furry
it is an adult male who likes the kids cartoon "My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic"
(though there is probably a good bit of overlap in those two groups? just a guess on my part)

the point on this thread is, you often hear from our "enlightened" cultural figures or feminists or whoever that men should be
less confrontation, less aggressive, less ego driven, focus more on cooperation instead of viewing everyone as a rival, not so hung up on gender norms
stuff like that

then we had a segment of the population that started to like this show
I never really watched it, but a lot of guys in their 20's said that it was just a nice show to watch when you wanted to relax
the characters had their own personality, the art and story lines were well done, it was actually funny
just a neat show to watch and chill out to
this show focuses on cooperation and friendship and forgiveness
all stuff that guys are told they should focus more on
and if a guy watches it, he is not following traditional gender stereotypes (which we are told are a bad thing)
and if you admit to being a fan of this show, you are assumed to be a pervert, a pedophile, a freak, or a looser of some kind
these claims often come from the same feminists who claim they want men less focused on gender stereotypes and more open to cooperation?

This is why one does not listen to feminists or any other organized group.

I for one am happy in my gender role, just because I am a man doesnt mean I have to be rough and aggressive all the time.

However, I do like my role of protector and will get aggressive REALLY quick if someone messes with my woman. I protect those I care about. I also like providing for a woman I love, when the time comes, I may or may not be able to provide so much that she can sit at home all day every day eating bonbons, but I have no shame in providing all that I can for my lady. Yes, these hands are capable of a very high level of aggression towards the world while it is nothing but gentle to a woman I love (really women in general) I will not have a feminist tell me I am wrong for it.

They can say Im wrong and I am a neanderthal because I still see myself as a protector and all....... thats fine. However just because I see myself and happily take on those roles....... doesn't mean I have to see a woman as "less than" in order to do so. I will care for my lady because THAT is what a good man does. Just as a good woman takes care of her man.

Any typical gender roles I fit I will not apologize for. Whether its holding a door open, pulling out a chair.... etc. If I get married and she wants "equality" she can drop the toilet seat now and then. After all, I have to lift it every time. The least she can do is drop it without complaint and nagging when I forget to put it back down.

Im a man, a woman I marry better want a man cause. there will be no castrating of this bull.

Besides, feminists are women........ God knows they love to change their minds even if its for no other reason but to mess with a mans head. Never trust an organization/group of nothing but frustrated and angry women. Especially when the anger and frustration of just a single woman is enough to know you need to hide to survive.

 

[SnowyMacie]

This is why one does not listen to feminists or any other organized group.

I for one am happy in my gender role, just because I am a man doesnt mean I have to be rough and aggressive all the time.

However, I do like my role of protector and will get aggressive REALLY quick if someone messes with my woman. I protect those I care about. I also like providing for a woman I love, when the time comes, I may or may not be able to provide so much that she can sit at home all day every day eating bonbons, but I have no shame in providing all that I can for my lady. Yes, these hands are capable of a very high level of aggression towards the world while it is nothing but gentle to a woman I love (really women in general) I will not have a feminist tell me I am wrong for it.

They can say Im wrong and I am a neanderthal because I still see myself as a protector and all....... thats fine. However just because I see myself and happily take on those roles....... doesn't mean I have to see a woman as "less than" in order to do so. I will care for my lady because THAT is what a good man does. Just as a good woman takes care of her man.

Any typical gender roles I fit I will not apologize for. Whether its holding a door open, pulling out a chair.... etc. If I get married and she wants "equality" she can drop the toilet seat now and then. After all, I have to lift it every time. The least she can do is drop it without complaint and nagging when I forget to put it back down.

There's nothing wrong with that, what gets under my skin is when men go "All men must be ____, ____, ____, and blank to be considered men"

 

[fromtheAsh]

This is why one does not listen to feminists or any other organized group.

I for one am happy in my gender role, just because I am a man doesnt mean I have to be rough and aggressive all the time.

However, I do like my role of protector and will get aggressive REALLY quick if someone messes with my woman. I protect those I care about. I also like providing for a woman I love, when the time comes, I may or may not be able to provide so much that she can sit at home all day every day eating bonbons, but I have no shame in providing all that I can for my lady. Yes, these hands are capable of a very high level of aggression towards the world while it is nothing but gentle to a woman I love (really women in general) I will not have a feminist tell me I am wrong for it.

They can say Im wrong and I am a neanderthal because I still see myself as a protector and all....... thats fine. However just because I see myself and happily take on those roles....... doesn't mean I have to see a woman as "less than" in order to do so. I will care for my lady because THAT is what a good man does. Just as a good woman takes care of her man.

Any typical gender roles I fit I will not apologize for. Whether its holding a door open, pulling out a chair.... etc. If I get married and she wants "equality" she can drop the toilet seat now and then. After all, I have to lift it every time. The least she can do is drop it without complaint and nagging when I forget to put it back down.

I have no problem with that, what I do have a problem with is when people take it steps further and see more "feminine" men as lesser men cause that's when, in my opinion, you're offending women.

 

[Toro]

Well generally IMO when someone says something like that they are giving the lesser "manly" man hard time. Its what guys do.

In general I don't think men really give to craps about how another man is.

The men that seriously believe such things........ are obviously incredibly ignorant. Why waste your time on them?

When someone calls me a name or insults me..... I blow them off generally unless they are being HIGHLY obnoxious and take it steps further than simply voicing their dislike of me.

As the saying goes..... never argue with idiots...... they only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Being idiots, they are set in their ways and will not change their mind. Especially if the argument is coming from the opposing side.

 

[Hawthorne]

lol should I bring up the topic of bronies?

No

No, I do not think that it is the same as a Furry
it is an adult male who likes the kids cartoon "My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic"
(though there is probably a good bit of overlap in those two groups? just a guess on my part)

I enjoy the show, but I do not in any way identify as a 'brony'.... that fandom is constantly teeting on the edge of the perverse. I read a fanfiction once.... never again. The closest I'll get to the fandom is wanting a Twilight Sparkle plushie to go alongside my Sorcerer's Apprentice Mickey Mouse, Count Chocula, and Lucky plushies, and one of the art nouveau-style shirts because art history.

 

[Rhamiel]

I enjoy the show, but I do not in any way identify as a 'brony'.... that fandom is constantly teeting on the edge of the perverse. I read a fanfiction once.... never again. The closest I'll get to the fandom is wanting a Twilight Sparkle plushie to go alongside my Sorcerer's Apprentice Mickey Mouse, Count Chocula, and Lucky plushies, and one of the art nouveau-style shirts because art history.

there are a lot of perverts associated with My Little Pony
but it is the internet, there are perverts associated with EVERYTHING!
one of my friends writes yaoi fan fiction, she is a nice person, but kinda weird

 

[axydavid]

In my opinion, this is what is sexist. It's subtle misogyny. I came across an article posted in another subforum that said it's sinful for men to be feminine, but tomboys are "another expression of femininity", even though it defined feminine as "soft and delicate".

Give me link, I'll bring gender equality to that forum the hard way!

 

[fromtheAsh]

but it is the internet, there are perverts associated with EVERYTHING!

Rule 34.

 

[axydavid]

This is why one does not listen to feminists or any other organized group.

I for one am happy in my gender role, just because I am a man doesnt mean I have to be rough and aggressive all the time.

However, I do like my role of protector and will get aggressive REALLY quick if someone messes with my woman. I protect those I care about. I also like providing for a woman I love, when the time comes, I may or may not be able to provide so much that she can sit at home all day every day eating bonbons, but I have no shame in providing all that I can for my lady. Yes, these hands are capable of a very high level of aggression towards the world while it is nothing but gentle to a woman I love (really women in general) I will not have a feminist tell me I am wrong for it.

They can say Im wrong and I am a neanderthal because I still see myself as a protector and all....... thats fine. However just because I see myself and happily take on those roles....... doesn't mean I have to see a woman as "less than" in order to do so. I will care for my lady because THAT is what a good man does. Just as a good woman takes care of her man.

Any typical gender roles I fit I will not apologize for. Whether its holding a door open, pulling out a chair.... etc. If I get married and she wants "equality" she can drop the toilet seat now and then. After all, I have to lift it every time. The least she can do is drop it without complaint and nagging when I forget to put it back down.

Im a man, a woman I marry better want a man cause. there will be no castrating of this bull.

Besides, feminists are women........ God knows they love to change their minds even if its for no other reason but to mess with a mans head. Never trust an organization/group of nothing but frustrated and angry women. Especially when the anger and frustration of just a single woman is enough to know you need to hide to survive.

I'm OK with it as long as you won't bash me for not wanting to be the protector and provider.

I have no problem with that, what I do have a problem with is when people take it steps further and see more "feminine" men as lesser men cause that's when, in my opinion, you're offending women.

I agree with you, take down this hierarchy! I wanna be more feminine and wear makeup without being in the centre of negative attention!

 

[axydavid]

Rule *cookie*

You did not just to this, have a little decency please, this is a christian forum, we wouldn't want to be the gateway for someone else's fall.
I get the joke, however no man, just no.

 

[SnowyMacie]

You did not just to this, have a little decency please, this is a christian forum, we wouldn't want to be the gateway of someone else's fall

Rule 34.

 

[Hawthorne]

I was going to mention that, but I didn't because, um.... reasons. Some things aren't appropriate for CF that the rules don't mention.