Madagascar and Australia, a question for creationists.

[dad]

That's a good and fair question. Jesus quoted what was true and representative of his identity and teachings. I quote truths from the Bible when it serves a purpose, I don't quote what I think is untrue.

Yet some say the entire old testament was about Him, including Psalms. Jesus said not a jot or tittle would not be fulfilled. He forgot to mention that all that He never directly quoted was twaddle.

Jesus didn't come down to Reform Judaism.

Some said He did?

His spiritual teachings replaced the old and inferior ideology without the need to criticize the older ways.

He came not to destroy the law but to fulfil it.

 

[Colter]

Yet some say the entire old testament was about Him, including Psalms. Jesus said not a jot or tittle would not be fulfilled. He forgot to mention that all that He never directly quoted was twaddle.
Some said He did?
He came not to destroy the law but to fulfil it.

True, fulfill the intent of the law. The law is still there just like he said.

 

[dad]

True, fulfill the intent of the law. The law is still there just like he said.

In other words, the whole old testament was about Jesus, including 'the law' and 'the prophets'! Since Jesus gave us a new commandment, the laws of the old testament are not binding to us any more. More like suggestions. Even the little laws to the Jews about circumcision, diet etc are not suggestions even to us. More like shadows of a greater truth to come. Ensamples. (often of what not to do)

 

[pat34lee]

What's the end goal here? What do you think you're accomplishing?

Spreading knowledge in a genial manner. Hostility means your mind is closed, and I would rather not have a person bother to respond if all they have to contribute is sarcasm or insults.

 

[pat34lee]

It was just an observation. The issue is that you shouldn't discuss evolution when you don't even grasp the basics.
If you can demonstrate that you understand evolution then we can have a productive discussion about it.

At 23 years old, how long have you studied evolution? How long have you studied creationism? Why do most evolutionists today split off anything from the beginning of life and earlier as outside their theory? They know abiogenesis is a losing battle. It can't happen, and it never happened. Which means there is no life to begin evolving. At least not without a miracle, or thousands of them. I remember being young and knowing everything too, but you can grow out of that in ten or twenty years if you choose to actually learn instead of being told what to think.

 

[AV1611VET]

At least not without a miracle, or thousands of them.

Pat, another poster here (lesliedellow?) said this, and I wrote it in my Bible:

"The only argument against miracles is the presupposition that there is no God able to perform them."

I think that says it all.

 

[Armoured]

Why do most evolutionists today split off anything from the beginning of life and earlier as outside their theory?

Because it IS outside the theory.

 

[pat34lee]

Pat, another poster here (lesliedellow?) said this, and I wrote it in my Bible:

"The only argument against miracles is the presupposition that there is no God able to perform them."

I think that says it all.

That is the whole point of naturalism and humanism, culminating in evolution. Replace God as creator and you can deny him as judge over his creation, including us. If we are creations of God, then we belong to him, and it is our duty to follow him.

 

[AV1611VET]

Believers are not the group that riots when people they don't agree with are invited to speak where they live.

Have you seen this?

Bob Larson vs. Winnipeg
From: modemac@netcom.com (Modemac)
Subject: Radio Bob- Forced OFF Stage Winnipeg Gay
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 14:54:53 GMT
[NOTE from Modemac: The event here probably would have been more
productive if Bob Larson had been allowed to make his speech.]

[ Article crossposted from alt.religion.broadcast ]
[ Author was Don Bayomi ]
[ Posted on 23 Apr 1995 01:25:10 GMT ]

(authors comments: I support no religious side but do support free speech)

Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada April 21, 1995
"Free Speech is Dead" Bob Larson escapes Canada
Crowd turns ugly and Minister forced to leave building for fear of Violence.

Radio talk show host Bob Larson, made his third visit to Winnipeg
yesterday and was met by over 1,000 people who came in vain to hear him
speak.

The event was held at a local university but several days before the
event was to take place, there was controversy as the local student
union vowed to disrupt the show on the grounds that Bob Larson was
spreading hate.

At the show, a small group of around 30 very loud and agressive gay
supporters, blew whistles, occupied the stage, some shouted obsenites
and gave third finger salutes and held placcards with various messages.

The security force from the Unviersity remained on the second floor and
away from any and all action despite the apparent total lack of any
sense of crowd control.

After a long delay the speaker edged his way towards the packed stage (a
major mistake) and the crowd lunged forward with a mob mentality causing
an usher to jump of the stage platform.

Bob Larson, then obviously began to get crushed as the mob seemed to
lose total control and at that point an effort was made to push Bob
Larsen off the stage and quickly out the back door and away from the
scene.

The gay activists then stood on the stage blowing whistles, rasised arms
and cheered in a show of solidarity for what they had done.

As a side note, earlier in the evening a noted Canadian skinhead was
observed in the room and was harassed and demanded to leave by an angry
mob (some of the same people).

If anything was accomplished that night, it was to prove that there is
no freedom of speech and the saddest part was that several key
university students orchestrated the whole protest.

I hope that the students intention was only to disrupt part of the
meeting and that they did not really wish to stifle the freedom of
speech of this person who paid for the room and invited all to attend.

The mob seemed to think that they had a victory, but I know that this
event will cause them much more harm than would have come by hearing the
simple 1 hour lecture with the ample time alloted for questions and
answers.

Again, I state that I have no religious position and went to the meeting
to hear Bob Larsen speak and to hear him, as usual answer question from
any and all takers.

It was a sad day, and I left with countless others feeling sorry for the
speaker and embarassed for our city.

Note: anyone can use my comments in any way they see fit, but i would
prefer not to have my name included without prior permission.

I respect the rights of all human beings, satanists, skinheads,
christians and others and feel that through thoughtful discourse perhaps
some good can come through a better understanding of each other.

Generally speaking Winnipeg is a great and safe place to live.

SOURCE

 

[pat34lee]

I don't propose anything, Mary Schweitzer does, and if you can be bothered to look (or can understand it), the reasoning and data is set out in the public domain.

I have looked, and it is the same pablum that they use to create dark matter and dark energy when there is proof for neither. Same for the Oort cloud.

 

[Skreeper]

At 23 years old, how long have you studied evolution?

The age of a person has no impact on his knowledge. Evolution was part of my school education so I know enough about it.

How long have you studied creationism?

Since creationism isn't science and only makes claims without supporting evidence there is nothing to study.

Why do most evolutionists today split off anything from the beginning of life and earlier as outside their theory?

How life started has no impact on what happened after it was here that's why evolution and abiogenesis are two different fields of study.

It can't happen, and it never happened.

Evidence required.

I remember being young and knowing everything too, but you can grow out of that in ten or twenty years if you choose to actually learn instead of being told what to think.

In our country we teach people how to think not what to think. We conducted our own little experiments so we could verify the claims ourselves (to a degree at least).

 

[Allandavid]

At 23 years old, how long have you studied evolution? How long have you studied creationism? Why do most evolutionists today split off anything from the beginning of life and earlier as outside their theory? They know abiogenesis is a losing battle. It can't happen, and it never happened. Which means there is no life to begin evolving. At least not without a miracle, or thousands of them. I remember being young and knowing everything too, but you can grow out of that in ten or twenty years if you choose to actually learn instead of being told what to think.

How does one "study" creationism...??

There's nothing to study...

 

[AV1611VET]

How does one "study" creationism...??

There's nothing to study...

Take that attitude in my class and I'll fail you.

Here's a test I made up in another thread:

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.
2. Explain the difference between "God" and "LORD God".
3. Eden in the Bible is known as __________ on a secular map.
4. The triune Godhead is a violation of what scientific law?
5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.
6. What day was Adam created on?
7. Was the universe created a closed system and, if not, what kind of energy did it run off of? if it was created open, what closed it?
8. Describe terra aqua and what kind of water it consisted of and why.
9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?
10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.

 

[Colter]

Pat, another poster here (lesliedellow?) said this, and I wrote it in my Bible:

"The only argument against miracles is the presupposition that there is no God able to perform them."

I think that says it all.

To God nothing is a miracle. We call things miracles because we don't understand them. Turning water to wine wasn't a miracle to the celestial beings that responded to the will of their creator, they knew how to manipulate the elements involved to fulfill his desires. However, the technique by which the Son of God became the person of Mary's baby is considered the miracle of all miracles by our unseen friends.

 

[JD16]

Take that attitude in my class and I'll fail you.

Here's a test I made up in another thread:

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.
2. Explain the difference between "God" and "LORD God".
3. Eden in the Bible is known as __________ on a secular map.
4. The triune Godhead is a violation of what scientific law?
5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.
6. What day was Adam created on?
7. Was the universe created a closed system and, if not, what kind of energy did it run off of? if it was created open, what closed it?
8. Describe terra aqua and what kind of water it consisted of and why.
9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?
10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.

The answer to 3 is Pangea! I've been paying attention! lolzz

 

[AV1611VET]

To God nothing is a miracle.

Numbers 14:22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;

 

[AV1611VET]

The answer to 3 is Pangea! I've been paying attention! lolzz

Heeeeey! Go to the head of the class!

 

[AV1611VET]

JD ... without looking, can you tell me the name of the ocean?

1. Panthalassa
2. Lemuria
3. Xanadu
4. Phlogiston Sea

 

[JD16]

JD ... without looking, can you tell me the name of the ocean?

1. Panthalassa
2. Lemuria
3. Xanadu
4. Phlogiston Sea

Bhahahaha, no clue mate, I don't speak KJV, and I'm only an amature in the gospel of AV

 

[AV1611VET]

Bhahahaha, no clue mate, I don't speak KJV, and I'm only an amature in the gospel of AV

Sorry ... I meant to say the answer is not in the Bible.

Thus it falls under stipulation #3 of my Boolean standards:

1. Bible says X, science says X = go with X
2. Bible says X, science says Y = go with X
3. Bible says Ø, science says Y = go with Y

But for the record, it's Panthalassa.

SOURCE