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Madagascar and Australia, a question for creationists.

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We don't know. If the throne of God, where He lives is beyond the stars, and Gabriel got to Daniel before he finished praying one day from the throne of God...then we know it takes no time to travel.

In any case, we cannot read into this that God did not create Adam on the earth. From the earth. That business about a world that used to be populated and destroyed, then man was put here cannot be supported by the bible. Maybe we could call it the second hand world story.
I never said the world was destroyed, it evolved after the life patterns were planted on it. The regime of the crafty beast had already fallen, the earth was in kayos when Adam and Eve arrived.

In my theology we know where God the Father resides, on Paradise in the central universe. There are trillions of inhabited worlds under the jurisdiction of over 700,000 creator sons and numerous subordinates and various types of beings. The evolutionary worlds have diverse kinds of life and diverse kinds of humans.

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Scientists are deluded by "evidence" because they refuse to believe that God does sometimes override the laws of nature.

Before we can believe that we need a demonstration or at least evidence that a God exists and that this being can override the laws of nature. Believing in something without evidence just means you're being irrational.
 
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We don't know. If the throne of God, where He lives is beyond the stars, and Gabriel got to Daniel before he finished praying one day from the throne of God...then we know it takes no time to travel.

In any case, we cannot read into this that God did not create Adam on the earth. From the earth. That business about a world that used to be populated and destroyed, then man was put here cannot be supported by the bible. Maybe we could call it the second hand world story.
I never said the world was destroyed, it evolved after the life patterns were planted on it. The regime of the crafty beast had already fallen, the earth was in kayos when Adam and Eve arrived.

In my theology we know where God the Father resides, on Paradise in the central universe. There are trillions of inhabited worlds under the jurisdiction of over 700,000 creator sons and numerous subordinates and various types of beings. The evolutionary worlds have diverse kinds of life and diverse kinds of humans.

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It's not a lie if you believe it. :D

God's does not lie, but He does deceive those who refuse to believe the truth:

"They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie" -- (2 Thessalonians 2:10-11).

Scientists are deluded by "evidence" because they refuse to believe that God does sometimes override the laws of nature.

The virgin birth and resurrection of Jesus are just two examples.
God is the Law of nature, he never overrides them, we just don't know how curtain things are done.
 
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God is the Law of nature, he never overrides them, we just don't know how curtain things are done.

This is important for both atheists, and theists.

"...we just don't know how curtain things are done."

But, we really, really, really, really think we know how certain things are done. I mean, we really do. I have seen people make arguments for concretenees of a philosophy about God - explaining it and defending it with what they don't realize is something based on abstraction, and at best a misunderstanding of how to apply our superego to our ego, id, and surroundings. We extol the superego without realizing it is founded evolution from ego, which is an evolution of the id. From that, we actually think our constructed paradoxes, and insights answer the questions we are looking for. Sadly, we actually never really understand the density of our questions anyway, and so we don't even know where to look for answers.

Every single thing that we know of is an abstraction. The only thing that is not abstract, or even a concrete abstraction is truth. And, truth isn't personal (i.e. "my truth" =/= truth.) And, axioms are not necessarily truths at all.

That doesn't come from any philosophy, discipline or entity who isn't THE Most High.
 
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That would make sense only if the family did not break up the same house they were living in into smaller houses, which is what you are saying in your analogy.
I would make sense if the differences in the family are too great for them to dwell in the same house. So you break up the house and share it among the family members.
 
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I would make sense if the differences in the family are too great for them to dwell in the same house. So you break up the house and share it among the family members.

This is how many royal houses were forged - with context to your point that those differences were still too big for separate houses (and, caused even more infighting through war, and broken alliances with the very houses that are technically their family.) So, many "houses" just became "kingdoms," and ultimately "countries."
 
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I would make sense if the differences in the family are too great for them to dwell in the same house. So you break up the house and share it among the family members.

And after breaking up the house, the members of the same family invades and try to conquer the houses of the other family members? What the point of breaking up the house then?
 
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This is important for both atheists, and theists.

"...we just don't know how curtain things are done."

But, we really, really, really, really think we know how certain things are done. I mean, we really do. I have seen people make arguments for concretenees of a philosophy about God - explaining it and defending it with what they don't realize is something based on abstraction, and at best a misunderstanding of how to apply our superego to our ego, id, and surroundings. We extol the superego without realizing it is founded evolution from ego, which is an evolution of the id. From that, we actually think our constructed paradoxes, and insights answer the questions we are looking for. Sadly, we actually never really understand the density of our questions anyway, and so we don't even know where to look for answers.

Every single thing that we know of is an abstraction. The only thing that is not abstract, or even a concrete abstraction is truth. And, truth isn't personal (i.e. "my truth" =/= truth.) And, axioms are not necessarily truths at all.

That doesn't come from any philosophy, discipline or entity who isn't THE Most High.

Why should it be important to Atheist who do not believe in a God or Gods?

Atheist don't claim absolute knowledge that there is no God, we don't believe there is due to lace of evidence, and most do not care to speculate if there is one, much less insist that this is how God operates,...should we choose to do so,...its always hypothetical and nothing more. In fact most Atheist are comfortable with not knowing, so therefore your statement ...'we just don't know how certain things are done' fits very well with Atheists.
 
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Why should it be important to Atheist who do not believe in a God or Gods?

Atheist don't claim absolute knowledge that there is no God, we don't believe there is due to lace of evidence, and most do not care to speculate if there is one, much less insist that this is how God operates,...should we choose to do so,...its always hypothetical and nothing more. In fact most Atheist are comfortable with not knowing, so therefore your statement ...'we just don't know how certain things are done' fits very well with Atheists.

This is a general paradigm. Academia of any field is NOT that humble that it would suggest in real-time (non public) that the particular field, research, and study are NOT arbiters of truth for that repective field. This is regardless of conditionals.

So, it is good for everyone to realize we do NOT know nearly as much as we think we do - and actually put it into practice.

This treating of respective fields as the arbiters of truth, or at the very least THE (definite article) framework of reality is sophomoric, and myopic.

We don't do this? Of course we do. Academia, and humans in general are full of ego. Tell someone you don't quite believe humans cause global warming: it won't matter that person''s credentials because the status quo is to tell the person s/he is wrong, and that the evidence for AWG is massive. This is, of course coming from humans who don't even know what is in 5% of their own planet's ocean - yet we are fully confident (confident enough to scoff) in our "ability" to extrapolate data on a dynamic system that has existence almost as long as the universe. I would say the big bang is another example of a paradigm that is "frozen-in" status quo. But, clearly if we are arrogant to believe we know with significant accuracy and precision the events that will happen on our planet (despite our abysmal understanding of our own ecosystems in isolation, let alone working as a unit called Earth,) then we are arrogant enough to think we know about the universe we had no hand in creating.

And, we do this all the time - substantiating our marginal understanding of the observable world we call the practice of science with our own academic prejudices. Ego feeding ego; it isn't new, the age is just different.

If EVERYONE realized this - that in the end even algebra and field theory are abstract at the foundation, then education and technological advancement would take a larger step toward the pure, and complete. But, we won't do this.

It is really a separate issue from God in that we are "massaging" our egos thinking we - literal rotting sacks of flesh - can believe we know enough about the worlds around us that we can scoff, shame and ridicule other ideas. That is a fatal flaw.

We think we have progressed, but when we look at how the hegemony of academia treated novel ideas and theories (some of which were spot on,) we should realize we are devolving, and degenerate compared to where we could be if academia was treated as its field father: philosophy. Instead, we have convinced ourselves that only a few people with certain pedigrees have the authority, and should have the audacity, to meaningfully contribute to any academic subject.

Meanwhile, space-age technology is being developed by the people who actually understand this, and work toward advancement treating science as philosophy (though, those groups throughout history have had "help".)
 
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I never said the world was destroyed, it evolved after the life patterns were planted on it.
The evolution sequence claimed by science varies from the one in the bible, we can't have both.


The regime of the crafty beast had already fallen, the earth was in kayos when Adam and Eve arrived.
The only controlled chaos I see in Genesis is long before day 5.

In my theology we know where God the Father resides, on Paradise in the central universe.
The stars are in the central universe. So let's see the chapter and verse God is there?
There are trillions of inhabited worlds under the jurisdiction of over 700,000 creator sons and numerous subordinates and various types of beings.
Remember to frame that fable using the words, there may be...or perhaps..or some such. The reality of the situation is that we do not know time exists in the far universe so we have NO known distances to any star. What you think are planets may be something else. Yes they orbit...but so does the space station.

The evolutionary worlds have diverse kinds of life and diverse kinds of humans.
Since you made them up, hey, put anything you like on them.
 
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The evolution sequence claimed by science varies from the one in the bible, we can't have both.


The only controlled chaos I see in Genesis is long before day 5.

The stars are in the central universe. So let's see the chapter and verse God is there?
Remember to frame that fable using the words, there may be...or perhaps..or some such. The reality of the situation is that we do not know time exists in the far universe so we have NO known distances to any star. What you think are planets may be something else. Yes they orbit...but so does the space station.

Since you made them up, hey, put anything you like on them.
The creation story in Genesis was created by the priest class who wrote it. It was written by Hebrews and for an scattered Israelite audience. They didn't know anything about evolution.
 
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The creation story in Genesis was created by the priest class who wrote it. It was written by Hebrews and for an scattered Israelite audience. They didn't know anything about evolution.
So God didn't get a word to man as Jesus said eh? Good luck with that.
 
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I accept the first because it is obviously there. I reject the second because it goes against everything we see in nature. How do you propose proving that iron will protect soft tissue over time? Bury some samples and test them every thousand years or so for the next 150 million years?

I don't propose anything, Mary Schweitzer does, and if you can be bothered to look (or can understand it), the reasoning and data is set out in the public domain.
 
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He confirmed it was the word of God.
Jesus didn't fulfill the erroneous expectations of a Jewish Messiah. The Jews have scripture based reasons that they rejected him, hence the danger of calling the writings of man the Word of God. The written word is invariably human and limited.
 
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