Madagascar and Australia, a question for creationists.

[Colter]

If I understand that, what Colter is trying to say is, when this universe was created, the first big setback was the rebellion of lucifer trying to upstage God, but thats not our fault, then Adam and Eve made another mistake, but since its not us (their descendant) who committed that sin, we are sinners but innocent to an extend(original sin concept) so when we die, we get a second chance (I think) to accept God or not ....

Excellent!

In my theology Adam and Eve came to an evolved, preveously populated, fallen earth. They were to be the worlds new spiritual rulers. In a relative short order they were outflanked by the crafty beast. It wasn't an apple, Eve attempted to inject her own little plan of world saving. She mated with Cain's real Father, a Nodite chief. The idea was to speed up the genetic rehabilitation of the backward races of humanity. That was the sin, a huge no-no!

 

[JD16]

Excellent!

In my theology Adam and Eve came to an evolved, preveously populated, fallen earth. They were to be the worlds new spiritual rulers. In a relative short order they were outflanked by the crafty beast. It wasn't an apple, Eve attempted to inject her own little plan of world saving. She mated with Cain's real Father, a Nodite chief. The idea was to speed up the genetic rehabilitation of the backward races of humanity. That was the sin, a huge no-no!

That is the first I've heard of it,...but interesting I must say,....I've heard another version that involve Lilith that was created together with Adam, but she refused to submitted to him and was casted out of Eden,....and she later mated with the archangel Samael.....but your version is really different from the rest I must say.

 

[dad]

Excellent!

In my theology Adam and Eve came to an evolved, preveously populated, fallen earth.

By flying saucer?

 

[Colter]

That is the first I've heard of it,...but interesting I must say,....I've heard another version that involve Lilith that was created together with Adam, but she refused to submitted to him and was casted out of Eden,....and she later mated with the archangel Samael.....but your version is really different from the rest I must say.

Notice the peculiarities in the Genesis account compared to the common assumptions. Adam and Eve are two grown adults who speak the language of the crafty beast. The beast is already fallen, already evil. One of the consequences of Eve's sin is biological, the result was the "pains of childbirth" for her descendants. Sub Saharan African cultures don't experience the kind of stormy labors that northern cultures do.

Cain was a constant reminder of the default, Able taunted his half brother constantly. One day Cain had enough, he walked Able. Cain would repent, he was spirit born, God "put a mark on Cain". It was decided that it's best that Cain leave the garden after the murder in search of his true fathers people. So he departs for Nod where he finds a wife and a city.

Death was already on the earth, it's normal if we don't translate first. It was Adam and Eve specifically who lost the use if the tree if life.

But even if Adam and Eve had not sinned, other humans could and would have. But their sin was significant in that it had enormous consequences for what the world would be like had they followed the ordained plan.

Anyway, I always had issues with the story of traditional Christianity from the beginning, to many contradictions.

 

[Colter]

By flying saucer?

Serafic transport. The 4 winged angels which some have been allowed to see are transport seraphim, the so called wings are friction shields. They become an elongated tube that protects the person within during high velocity, long distance transport.

 

[dad]

Serafic transport. The 4 winged angels which some have been allowed to see are transport seraphim, the so called wings are friction shields. They become an elongated tube that protects the person within during high velocity, long distance transport.

Cute. Do they toot rainbows too?

 

[Colter]

Cute. Do they toot rainbows too?

No, did an angel named Gabriel appear to Mary to tell her that his boss was in her tummy?

 

[dad]

No, did an angel named Gabriel appear to Mary to tell her that his boss was in her tummy?

Yes. But he didn't deliver Jesus!

 

[Colter]

Yes. But he didn't deliver Jesus!

True, but how did Gabriel get here and why would invisible Angels have wings?

 

[JD16]

True, but how did Gabriel get here and why would invisible Angels have wings?

Cosmetic purposes, gotta be styling ya know? *wink wink*

 

[dad]

True, but how did Gabriel get here and why would invisible Angels have wings?

We don't know. If the throne of God, where He lives is beyond the stars, and Gabriel got to Daniel before he finished praying one day from the throne of God...then we know it takes no time to travel.

In any case, we cannot read into this that God did not create Adam on the earth. From the earth. That business about a world that used to be populated and destroyed, then man was put here cannot be supported by the bible. Maybe we could call it the second hand world story.

 

[The Stamp]

I can only do so much, my friend ... I can only do so much.
I pray you will at least reconsider before ... well ... before the Grim Reaper shows up and says, "Your table's ready."

It sounds to me as if you are in too deep to pull out now so you keep praying and the rest of us will keep thinking.
One day if you are lucky someone might show up and say to you, "please come with me".

 

[AV1611VET]

One day if you are lucky someone might show up and say to you, "please come with me".

We call that the Rapture.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

And it's because we're blessed, not lucky.

 

[Doveaman]

Ask your pastors this question, Why do animals and plants living on these island not exist anywhere else on earth?

Why do animals and plants living on earth not exist anywhere else in the universe?

My pastor would reply by quoting this scripture: "From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined the times set for them and the boundaries where they should live." -- (Acts 17:26)

My pastor would then give this explanation: Asians are from Asia. Africans are from Africa. Europeans are from Europe. If God can set boundaries for man to live on earth, He can also set boundaries for plants and animals to live on earth.

Could it be because they were isolated from the rest of the world and evolved?

NO.

 

[Doveaman]

But how long would it take for God to break it up and move them?

So he said, "Hmm, that doesn't look quite right. I had better break it up and try again."

Where is your biblical support for that?

When a family becomes too big for a house, the family breaks up and live in multiple houses.

Some of them even move to Madagascar and Australia.

 

[JD16]

When a family becomes to big for a house, the family breaks up and live in multiple houses. Some even move to Madagascar and Australia.

That would make sense only if the family did not break up the same house they were living in into smaller houses, which is what you are saying in your analogy.

 

[The Stamp]

Why do animals and plants living on earth not exist anywhere else in the universe?

How do you know that they don't?

My pastor would reply by quoting this scripture: "From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined the times set for them and the boundaries where they should live." -- (Acts 17:26)

That's because he only knows as much as you.

My pastor would then give this explanation: Asians are from Asia. Africans are from Africa. Europeans are from Europe. If God can set boundaries for man to live on earth, He can also set boundaries for plants and animals to live on earth.
NO.

In other words he would waffle because he only knows as much as you.

 

[Doveaman]

When a YEC proponent claims God did something one way and then establishes natural, physical laws which indicate the 'one way' claimed cannot have happened, the YEC proponent is essentially claiming God 'planted' or 'created' false evidence. In other words, God lied.

It's not a lie if you believe it.

God's does not lie, but He does deceive those who refuse to believe the truth:

"They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie" -- (2 Thessalonians 2:10-11).

Scientists are deluded by "evidence" because they refuse to believe that God does sometimes override the laws of nature.

The virgin birth and resurrection of Jesus are just two examples.

 

[Colter]

Why do animals and plants living on earth not exist anywhere else in the universe?

My pastor would reply by quoting this scripture: "From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined the times set for them and the boundaries where they should live." -- (Acts 17:26)

My pastor would then give this explanation: Asians are from Asia. Africans are from Africa. Europeans are from Europe. If God can set boundaries for man to live on earth, He can also set boundaries for plants and animals to live on earth.
NO.

The Bible says all the races came from Noah's kids, that all the living things that we know today were on the ark and rapidly repopulated the entire earth.

Each spot of light in this photo is a galaxy, and this is just one small frame of an incomprehensibly large universe.

 

[JD16]

How long have people been waiting for that, even Jesus told lies about the rapture.

The list of failed prediction
Rapture - Wikipedia