Lying for Religion

[keith99]

Any Christian can have the experiences I have had. It is not that I am special. But a person needs to try to live with out sin, and honor Jesus.

Are you really that slow? You psot a link to a page of multiple unsourced 'experiences' while writing as if they are your own and still do not get it when someone bothers to follow the link.

Oh well. I'm sure a few more will go now and see what I saw.

 

[juvenissun]

Do you apply the same standard to those that testify that they have been abducted by aliens?

Yes. That is my attitude toward any testimony.
1. Listen first.
2. Understand it.
3. Decide if question it.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes. That is my attitude toward any testimony.
1. Listen first.
2. Understand it.
3. Decide if question it.

How do you decide whether to question it?

 

[Davian]

"Do you apply the same standard to those that testify that they have been abducted by aliens?"

Yes. That is my attitude toward any testimony.
1. Listen first.
2. Understand it.
3. Decide if question it.

Were those people that testified as being abducted by aliens actually abducted by aliens? Like with gods, they have no supporting evidence.

Do you believe them or not?

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Are you really that slow? You psot a link to a page of multiple unsourced 'experiences' while writing as if they are your own and still do not get it when someone bothers to follow the link.

Oh well. I'm sure a few more will go now and see what I saw.

They are my experiences, they are the times that God has done stuff for me. You may not believe it but I know what has happened to me. I pray that you wake up and come to the truth, before you end up in hell.

 

[juvenissun]

Were those people that testified as being abducted by aliens actually abducted by aliens? Like with gods, they have no supporting evidence.

Do you believe them or not?

I don't know.
I will have to interview them to make decision.
But, I think they must experienced something unusual. Otherwise, It does not pay off to make up things like that. (You must assume that they are not stupid).

In general, issues like that make me wonder more about aliens then about people who made the witnesses. So, believe them or not is not really the issue for me.

 

[juvenissun]

How do you decide whether to question it?

One of the criteria:

If the person is a non-Christian, then I will more likely to question him.
But the question is on the content, not on the person.

 

[bhsmte]

One of the criteria:

If the person is a non-Christian, then I will more likely to question him.
But the question is on the content, not on the person.

You just contradicted yourself, big time.

First you state, you would be more likely to question a non-Christian.

Then, you state, it is not about the person.

Try again.

 

[Davian]

I don't know.
I will have to interview them to make decision.
But, I think they must experienced something unusual. Otherwise, It does not pay off to make up things like that. (You must assume that they are not stupid).

In general, issues like that make me wonder more about aliens then about people who made the witnesses. So, believe them or not is not really the issue for me.

That is the question I'm asking you.

Could you believe them solely on their testimony, or would you need external, objective, corroborating evidence?

 

[Ana the Ist]

That is beneath you.Just for clarity, not 'another', as that concurs with your rather clumsy 'trap' above. It is an imaginary friend.As gently as I can say this, you might quit doing it then.Your question is worded incorrectly. It should read, "Why the lack of desire for ME to evaluate your relationship... " And you failed to capitalize God again. Which seems to evade your mental grasp.

I've already told you all you need to know. Now you want me to repeat it all. The problem is you are not equipped to deal with the answers - as I've pointed out. You want me to explain 'color' to a blind person and are dissatisfied with my description of 'wave lengths' of light - you want to know how I 'feel' when I see color. Then you get mad when I cannot because you are blind.

Why do you keeping asking answers that have been answered and then pretend outrage when you cannot grasp the answers already given?

Geez...you get defensive quickly Archie. You're sixty four talking about your imaginary friend...as an analogy to god...what did you expect me to think? That you actually have imaginary friends? Ok, you do...consider me corrected.

You don't want me examining your relationship with god. Gotcha. Only people who already believe need apply.

Your "blind man" analogy is terrible though, and frankly, it's beneath you. The idea that I only need to believe first to have a relationship with god is pervasive in christianity... a blind man can't simply choose to see, can he?

The analogy only makes sense if we're all blind and some of us are simply pretending to see...telling the others they only have to believe they can see and they will.

 

[juvenissun]

That is the question I'm asking you.

Could you believe them solely on their testimony, or would you need external, objective, corroborating evidence?

Many people can. But me, not likely.

I have listened to Christian testimonies for longer than 20 years before I really believed. And their testimonies only helped, but are not the determining factor.

But, right form the beginning, I never think they lied. It is just not convincing enough. Now, I enjoyed to listen to everyone of them.

 

[juvenissun]

You just contradicted yourself, big time.

First you state, you would be more likely to question a non-Christian.

Then, you state, it is not about the person.

Try again.

No. YOU try again.
It is about the issue, the content.

Exercise: You give me a testimony of having no God, then I will certainly beat you in logic argument. Or, you give me a testimony about any religion you like, then I will certainly make you feel like lost in the sea.

 

[Davian]

That is the question I'm asking you.

Could you believe them solely on their testimony, or would you need external, objective, corroborating evidence?

Many people can. But me, not likely.

...

The same for me and claims of gods, when they lack external, objective, corroborating evidence.

 

[juvenissun]

The same for me and claims of gods, when they lack external, objective, corroborating evidence.

You criticized it as a lack of evidence. That is a rejection.
I may doubt the evidence. That is discussion, and is more scientific.
You need to know that in science, anything can be an evidence of any other thing.

 

[Davian]

You criticized it as a lack of evidence.

When there is no evidence, that would be a valid criticism.

That is a rejection.
I may doubt the evidence. That is discussion, and is more scientific.
You need to know that in science, anything can be an evidence of any other thing.

Not if you are doing it right.

 

[Neochristian]

If you are practicing your religion correctly, you will never need to lie.