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Do you know why the looting at the Target in Minneapolis began? Cops were stationed on the roof shooting tear gas and rubber bullets at PEACEFUL PROTESTERS, and when demonstrators tried to go inside to get milk the doors had been locked. In the chaos people broke in and started looting.
a narrative where law enforcement is there to "keep peace" but instead they are antagonizing peaceful protesters until they react, then cry RIOT
This is complete nonsense. The rioting, looting, and arson came first; the police reaction came in response to that.
Noone believes that all cops are bad. Only some.
The system needs to exact justice from the some ... who threaten, by their actions, to make the whole body look bad.
I apologize if you feel personally attacked because those statement were not directed at you, unless the shoe fits. I recognize that as a white male in America it will be difficult for you to sympathize with black communities when they react in certain ways. Obviously nobody wants to see it go down this way but I have accepted that it is no longer reasonable to ask black folks to react peacefully-- especially when met with outside agitators and police retaliation. As I have explained many times in this thread, looting is a demonstration tactic that exposes how Americans care more about property than human lives; it represents how easily oppressors take from the oppressed. Stealing is never justified but think about what has been stolen from black people-- their culture, their land, their rights, their opportunities, their LIVES. A TV can not compare. Like I said, I wish there was a way to protect small businesses during the looting but that is not possible once a riot breaks out. There are many videos of black protesters trying to stop looters, but once there's one or two it turns into mob mentality/human instinct. We should not be so quick to judge and criminalize them because it begins to lessen the criminality of the people who caused this. Fortunately the community will usually rally around local business owners to help them recover. The CEO of Target has made a statement that he stands with the people of Minneapolis, and that all his employees will be receiving full pay and benefits.
I completely understand if it is hard for you to sympathize with all of this because yes, it is hard to watch. But what is harder to watch-- a Target being looted or another black man being killed? Being open-minded is to accept that sometimes, difficult things are done for a reason. Just like how there are many here trying to convince themselves that Derek Chauvin had a reason to kill George Floyd.
It is hard for me to watch the looting, too. But I am trying to be compassionate. If they cannot have justice they can at least have a new TV, because that's how America works isn't it? We numb our pain with material things. I hope you can see at least a little of where I'm coming from and where they are coming from. Again, I apologize if I have come off as condescending or patronizing. I wish you well too.
Thank you I will disagree then.Sir, when someone is killed you should be emotional. What I should have written is that police SHOULD BE trained to arrest without fatality at all costs.. but since they are not, all deaths are by definition AVOIDABLE and UNJUSTIFIED. If it is a matter of OPINION whether a person deserves to be killed then my opinion remains objective. Feel free to disagree.
The problem is too many times there is NO IMMINENT THREAT and it is NOT legitimate self defense. In case you have not noticed police brutality is a national crisis right now. In America cops kill more people in a single DAY than other countries do in a YEAR. They are trained to have a superiority complex and think they are allowed to bully civilians. The disciples were not police officers they were REGULAR PEOPLE who wanted to protect themselves while Roman regime was slaughtering Christians on the streets. Buying swords is exactly what people are starting to do.
Please explain what point you are trying to make because I don't see one.How many is too many exactly.
One?
It's harder to watch a man dying and knowing the police actions contributed to his death. And those officer absolutely should face the justice and civil system for their actions.
That does not excuse in any way shape or form what the riotors and looters are doing. NONE. In fact destroying their own community is going to create more hardship in the future for them because businesses are not going to want to relocate or rebuild in those areas. Many won't be able afford to. Jobs will be lost and opportunity to increase income will lower. All because people refused to wait for the justice system to do it thing or at least criminals took advantage of the situation to commit acts of violence and crime.
it is paramount that you cannot let the looting/rioting overshadow the actual issue
but in reality the protests are peaceful and rational
I understand the frustrations and the want to speak out against this, but it is unhelpful to be divisive right now
You and I and the rioter/looter are on the same team!
Derek Chauvin and the American police system is what caused those deaths.As of now, the rioting, which has caused several deaths already, is the issue.
I wonder why. Images of police using violence against peaceful protesters are going viralWell, no, they quite obviously are not.
You are speaking out against the wrong violence. Have you forgotten why we're here?Failure to speak out against the violence will almost certain lose the Democrats the next election. Is that your intended outcome?
I find that statement deeply concerning.
Derek Chauvin and the American police system is what caused those deaths.
You are speaking out against the wrong violence. Have you forgotten why we're here?
This is the first time ... that something even approaching justice is perceived to be in motion concerning such an event. Unfortunately, that is only deemd to be happening because of the protests, in all of its forms.It appears it is happening. The system IS exacting justice. The system IS doing what it's supposed to do. Burning up the local automotive store won't bring justice and won't change justice. People are not going to find someone guilty just because people are burning down buildings, and stealing televisions.
No. Not in the least.
It was appropriate to ask for Derek Chauvin to be charged; he was charged. The appropriate thing to do after that was to wait for a fair trial.
Rioting and looting are simply not appropriate actions.
I have been speaking out against violence. I consider the statement "You are speaking out against the wrong violence" to be morally bankrupt.
When you are oppressed there is no "appropriate" way to fight against your oppression.
I see you are not American
When it's the police you call it "an intelligent way of discouraging."
The police are authorised to use force to maintain law and order and uphold the law. When they find creative ways of achieving those ends using minimal force, I commend them.
And the reason that we have police forces is that societies without law and order are really, really bad.
I'm not sure what you mean by "oppression," exactly, but the idea that "oppression" justifies any and all violence is morally bankrupt and un-Christian.
You want to see something really, really bad?
Images of police using violence against peaceful protesters are going viral
LOL. You have been spamming this thread all the while not knowing what OPPRESSION is? The door is right there sir.
LOL! Show me who the rioters/looters are in any of those images/videos! Your excuses are falling apart, sir. You have now somehow generalized every protester to be a criminal. When the logic goes out the door I think it's time for you to follow it.That is policemen upholding the law, and trying to put a stop to the rioting and looting. Not knowing the context of the photographs, I do not know if they could have done so in a better way.
Yes sir I can tell, your privilege is loud. Learn how to use it.The fact that you are in American means that, by global standards, you live a life of privilege (as do I).
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