Lois Lerner Tells Congress Pleads The Fifth – worst possible outcome for White House?

[Rion]

CNBC's Harwood: Lerner Pleading Fifth Is Worst Possible Outcome For W.H. - YouTube

 

[Rion]

Hmm...

Ex-Cincy IRS official doubts agency's explanation for Tea Party scandal - Open Channel

 

[NightHawkeye]

Here's a video of her acrid testimony: IRS Official Lois Lerner: 'I Have Not Done Anything Wrong' | The Weekly Standard

Here's a live stream of today's hearings: » House IRS hearings live streaming — Lois Lerner to plead 5th - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion

 

[GoodGuy32]

Why would our government (official) workers, need to invoke pleading the 5th?

Yikes!

 

[NightHawkeye]

The responsible thing to do when a business or agency runs completely amok is to padlock the doors, confiscate the records and initiate criminal proceedings against it.

What is Congress waiting for?

 

[kermit]

My suspicion is that this policy was implemented by Lerner.

 

[Rion]

My suspicion is that this policy was implemented by Lerner.

My suspicion is that the ex-Cincy employee is right, and that the checks and balances of the system wouldn't have allowed that.

 

[JoyJuice]

My suspicion is that this policy was implemented by Lerner.

I read she is the one that caught it and made changes.

 

[NightHawkeye]

My suspicion is that the ex-Cincy employee is right, and that the checks and balances of the system wouldn't have allowed that.

It also appears that Issa and the committee are not yet done with Lois Lerner.

One of the committee members pointed out that she effectively waived her right to fifth amendment by giving testimony. Something about not being allowed to simply waltz into the hearings, give a self-serving statement, plead the fifth amendment and walk out.

Here's part of the exchange: Lois Lerner invokes Fifth Amendment in House hearing on IRS targeting - The Washington Post

At that point, Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) objected, saying Lerner waived her right to invoke the Fifth Amendment by making an opening statement. “She ought to stay here and answer our questions,” he declared.

Issa excused Lerner anyway “subject to recall” if the committee determines she did not properly invoke her right. He added that he might consult with the Justice Department about giving Lerner “limited immunity” to testify.

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[SharonL]

What an attitude - they are so powerful they think they can do anything. Gowdy was right - they have no right to let her do that - she has the right to not testify, but they should have made her stay and ask each question for her to plead the 5th over. She really got off easy. I think most of the board was shocked that they did that.

 

[Rion]

 

[EdwinWillers]

<< cough >> Guilty! << cough >>

 

[EdwinWillers]

What an attitude - they are so powerful they think they can do anything. Gowdy was right - they have no right to let her do that - she has the right to not testify, but they should have made her stay and ask each question for her to plead the 5th over. She really got off easy. I think most of the board was shocked that they did that.

She's innocent until proven guilty - or until she arrogantly takes the fifth so as not to undergo examination.

 

[NightHawkeye]

My suspicion is that the ex-Cincy employee is right, and that the checks and balances of the system wouldn't have allowed that.

It also appears that Issa and the committee are not yet done with Lois Lerner.

One of the committee members pointed out that she effectively waived her right to fifth amendment by giving testimony. Something about not being allowed to simply waltz into the hearings, give a self-serving statement, plead the fifth amendment and walk out.

Here's part of the exchange: Lois Lerner invokes Fifth Amendment in House hearing on IRS targeting - The Washington Post

At that point, Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) objected, saying Lerner waived her right to invoke the Fifth Amendment by making an opening statement. “She ought to stay here and answer our questions,” he declared.

Issa excused Lerner anyway “subject to recall” if the committee determines she did not properly invoke her right. He added that he might consult with the Justice Department about giving Lerner “limited immunity” to testify.
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It appears that Trey Gowdy was correct. Word on the street is that Issa, after consulting further with attorneys, is going to recall Lerner and proceed to cook her.

 

[SolomonVII]

It wasn't too many weeks ago when Obama was making speeches of how people who were suspicious of government were way, way out of line.
If the buck leads back to him, at least impeachment can be a cure. If it is all about IRS acting on its own initiative, it is the US government itself that is the tyrant.

Either way, the scandal has proven those who call formore and more limited government have basically been vindicated in the need to be suspicious of government.

 

[Prayer Circle]

"I did nothing wrong!"


I remember when candidate Obama's pastor, Jeremiah Wright, came under scrutiny for racist remarks from the pulpit of his church. The man BO said was like a father to him and yet he claimed he didn't know about his racist attitude until the news broadcast it nation wide during his candidacy.
After Obama gained the votes to enter into his first term as President, Wright retired from that church and to an estimated 1.6 million dollar gated mansion community in Tinley Park Illinois. His daughter was later indicted in April of this year for misuse of government grants, so perhaps that for some indicates he's reaping what he sewed.

This recollection makes me wonder if Lois Lerner is going to retire and reap any seeming benefits for taking this 5th amendment stand and making her declaration as to not having done anything wrong.
When Bill Clinton years ago imagined people would accept he thought he was telling the truth in a sex scandal due to how he saw the truth about certain details in it, maybe LL is under the same delusion.
If we can find this on the net, no doubt those seeking to question Ms.Lerner know more than meets the eye.

IRS official Lerner speedily approved exemption for Obama brother’s ‘charity’ (May 14,2013)






Tax-exempt Obama Foundation doesn’t exist at listed addresses


Abon’go “Roy” Malik Obama

 

[Prayer Circle]

Bette MidlerVerified account &#8207;@BetteMidler

The IRS overtaxing The Tea Party? I never thought I'd say this to the IRS - THANK YOU! THANK YOU FOR DENYING 501C-4 to any group who hates!

 

[NightHawkeye]

Bette MidlerVerified account &#8207;@BetteMidler

The IRS overtaxing The Tea Party? I never thought I'd say this to the IRS - THANK YOU! THANK YOU FOR DENYING 501C-4 to any group who hates!

OK ...

 

[revanneosl]

Government bureaucrats who agree to be the one who goes under the bus and make a scandal go away are often rewarded with lucrative private-sector jobs. Just don't kid yourself that this only happens under Democratic administrations. It is the common practice on both sides of the aisle.

Of course Ms Lerner will do so, just like

Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. Convicted of making false statements, obstruction of justice and perjury and subsequently disbarred. Currently Senior Vice President of the Hudson Institute.

Henry Cisneros, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under President Bill Clinton. Indicted on 18 counts of conspiracy, giving false statements and obstruction of justice. Pled guilty to a misdemeanor count of lying to the FBI in a negotiated plea deal and fined $10,000. Currently co-chair of the Bipartisan Policy Center's Housing Commission and Immigration Task Force. Also Executive Chairman of the CityView companies.
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I'd go on through the list of presidents, but you get the point.

 

[SharonL]

Mrs. Lerner is subject to be recalled. I don't understand it - but Judge Napolatano (sp) said she opened herself up to be called back by the statements she made of 'I did nothing wrong - I didn't break any laws' - we'll hear more about it soon.