Limitations on micro-evolution and speciation

[JakeA]

Homo = man

Homo = human being in scholastic and vernacular writing

Homo= member of the hominid category, an ape.

Homo= anything from a chimpanzee to you in todays world.

You can't just change definitions because you don't like them, son.

 

[AV1611VET]

Homo= member of the hominid category, an ape.

Homo= anything from a chimpanzee to you in todays world.

You can't just change definitions because you don't like them, son.

Suit yourself -- it's your confusion, not mine.

For the record, I don't consider myself a Homo sapiens; but I do consider myself a human being.

I'm not tied to the same rhetorical rules and regulations of science that you guys are, and I consider that a blessing.

I said this before, and I'll say it again: We are warned by The Manual not to consider ourselves Homo sapiens, as it can lead to atheism.

Note also Moses' refusal to consider the lineage attributed to him as well:

Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

 

[Delphiki]

Oh wow.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Note also Moses' refusal to consider the lineage attributed to him as well:

Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

Because that verse says "deny taxonomy."

 

[JakeA]

Suit yourself -- it's your confusion, not mine.

For the record, I don't consider myself a Homo sapiens; but I do consider myself a human being.

I'm not tied to the same rhetorical rules and regulations of science that you guys are, and I consider that a blessing.

I said this before, and I'll say it again: We are warned by The Manual not to consider ourselves Homo sapiens, as it can lead to atheism.

Note also Moses' refusal to consider the lineage attributed to him as well:

Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

You do realise that homo sapiens sapiens means human being? You really don't, do you? You don't get that those two means exactly the same thing but in two different languages?

How about "människa" that's Swedish, do you accept that you are a "människa"?

Sometimes you come across people so hellbent on denying what ever they want to deny that they will change their own reality persona to achieve it, it's a fairly well known condition, schizophrenia.

 

[Golden Yak]

'Homo sapien' is simply a term used to identify a living creature.

Whatever other term is used, if it's at all accurate, will mean the same thing that 'homo sapien' does.

Note also Moses' refusal to consider the lineage attributed to him as well:

Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

Did he genuinely believe that his biological mother was a woman who was not the Pharaoh's daughter, or was it more of a defiant rejection of the Pharaoh's values by declaring they had no relation to one another?

 

[sandwiches]

You do realise that homo sapiens sapiens means human being? You really don't, do you? You don't get that those two means exactly the same thing but in two different languages?

How about "människa" that's Swedish, do you accept that you are a "människa"?

Sometimes you come across people so hellbent on denying what ever they want to deny that they will change their own reality persona to achieve it, it's a fairly well known condition, schizophrenia.

To AV, words have magical powers. For instance, as he's freely admitted, if you accept the term homo sapiens for yourself, you'll turn into an atheist....

 

[AV1611VET]

Did he genuinely believe that his biological mother was a woman who was not the Pharaoh's daughter, or was it more of a defiant rejection of the Pharaoh's values by declaring they had no relation to one another?

I would say both.

Exodus 2:11 ¶ And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.
Exodus 2:12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.

Egypt, called the 'iron furnace' in the Scriptures, is considered in Biblical typology to be a type of the [corrupt] world, and is even placed off-limits to the Jews.

Jeremiah was kidnapped and taken to Egypt, where he died -- (Jeremiah 43).

 

[AV1611VET]

To AV, words have magical powers. For instance, as he's freely admitted, if you accept the term homo sapiens for yourself, you'll turn into an atheist....

Link, please?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Suit yourself -- it's your confusion, not mine.

For the record, I don't consider myself a Homo sapiens; but I do consider myself a human being.

And you call other people confused.

Keep the lulz coming, AV.

I said this before, and I'll say it again: We are warned by The Manual not to consider ourselves Homo sapiens, as it can lead to atheism.

Note also Moses' refusal to consider the lineage attributed to him as well:

Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

That you make a connection between that verse and the label of Homo Sapiens has got to be the single saddest excuse for exegesis I've ever seen -- even from you, AV.

It's nothing more than a means to a self-aggrandizing end, isn't it, AV? Beyond that, it might as well be toilet paper to you.

 

[AV1611VET]

That you make a connection between that verse and the label of Homo Sapiens has got to be the single saddest excuse for exegesis I've ever seen -- even from you, AV.

You didn't read far enough, did you?

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[Nathan Poe]

You didn't read far enough, did you?

168

You're just digging a deeper hole -- do you even care anymore?

 

[Golden Yak]

I would say both.

I should have asked if Moses was actually the son of the Pharaoh's daughter. I have read that he in fact was adopted. This line of reasoning doesn't really work unless he's knowingly rejecting an actual biological relation.

 

[AV1611VET]

I should have asked if Moses was actually the son of the Pharaoh's daughter. I have read that he in fact was adopted.

You read correctly -- the story starts here:

Exodus 2:1 ¶ And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi.
Exodus 2:2 And the woman conceived, and bare a son: and when she saw him that he was a goodly child, she hid him three months.
Exodus 2:3 And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid it in the flags by the river's brink.

This line of reasoning doesn't really work unless he's knowingly rejecting an actual biological relation.

I'll go over this again, to the best of my ability.

When you study the Bible in-depth, you learn that most times A = A; but it can also equal the equivalent of something else; as in A = B.

We call this "types", and the study of 'types' is called 'typology'.

Joseph, for example, is an excellent 'type' of Jesus Christ; being rejected by his own, only to be exalted later.

Moses, too, is a wonderful 'type' of Jesus Christ; leading his people out of [Egypt] and into the Promised Land, which land is itself a 'type' of the Christian life here on earth -- (not Heaven, as some think).

Egypt is a 'type' of the world -- (which I don't want to get into the ramifications, here) -- and Moses turning his back on Egypt as its future ruler, and preferring his own people is a 'type' of Christian not mingling with the philosophies of this world.

I hope this helps.

 

[Nostromo]

Do you think your God doesn't understand the difference between the labels of taxonomic classification and one's own arrogance and opinion of self? How stupid do you think He is?

 

[Tomatoman]

Do you think your God doesn't understand the difference between the labels of taxonomic classification and one's own arrogance and opinion of self? How stupid do you think He is?

God is always made in one's own image.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Do you think your God doesn't understand the difference between the labels of taxonomic classification and one's own arrogance and opinion of self? How stupid do you think He is?

God is always made in one's own image.

Indeed -- God's only as smart as AV allows Him to be.

 

[sandwiches]

Link, please?

Here:

That's right, and I don't have to accept the title Homo sapiens, either.

In fact, the Bible says that can (and does) lead to atheism.

 

[sandwiches]

You read correctly -- the story starts here:

Exodus 2:1 ¶ And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi.
Exodus 2:2 And the woman conceived, and bare a son: and when she saw him that he was a goodly child, she hid him three months.
Exodus 2:3 And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid it in the flags by the river's brink.

I'll go over this again, to the best of my ability.

When you study the Bible in-depth, you learn that most times A = A; but it can also equal the equivalent of something else; as in A = B.

We call this "types", and the study of 'types' is called 'typology'.

Joseph, for example, is an excellent 'type' of Jesus Christ; being rejected by his own, only to be exalted later.

Moses, too, is a wonderful 'type' of Jesus Christ; leading his people out of [Egypt] and into the Promised Land, which land is itself a 'type' of the Christian life here on earth -- (not Heaven, as some think).

Egypt is a 'type' of the world -- (which I don't want to get into the ramifications, here) -- and Moses turning his back on Egypt as its future ruler, and preferring his own people is a 'type' of Christian not mingling with the philosophies of this world.

I hope this helps.

Sorry but this is not something you learn when you read the Bible. Typology is a man-made interpretation based on postdiction of the first coming of Jesus.

 

[Golden Yak]

@AV - Sorry, I meant my line of reasoning. I thought you were arguing something different, namely that one could literally discard biological ancestry simply by saying they did.

But that would be downright nutty.