Limitations on micro-evolution and speciation

[SaraCurious]

Man is not beast.
No, I don't have monkeys in my family tree.

I have not mentioned any "beast" here(?).

No, you, yourself, is an Ape, Greg, and your mother and father is/was an Ape, and your entire (close Family) Tree is a type of Ape. This is what Homo sapiens sapiens are classified as.

I assume you say "monkey" because of ignorance here and you confuse monkey and apes(?), that is no problem, semantics is a silly game to play, just mention it in hope you learn.

Well that didn't take long. Show me where in my post the bible was brought up. Or is this just another attempt to turn it into a theological argument.

I apologize, shouldn't even have mentioned it, you are indeed correct, lets not stray from topic.

This has nothing to do with interpretation. Only a basic understanding of the covenant. If you believe creationism is just a racist establishment, then use that as motivation for your Darwinian presentations.

No, my beliefs are not relevant here, only evidence (facts). If you read the Bible you would know it is racist, but as you said earlier, it should not have been mentioned, I apologize once again.

By the way, you may need to amend your painting.

You did not mention my "painting", which I am, I admit, a bit saddened about as I really took time trying to make something you could understand. I do not know what I would amend as it is, as it States in the picture, merely a graphical representation of how it works as I know you do not understand how the Tree of Life looks/functions in any way.

Please ask me what it is you do not understand, once again this should have been gone through in Biology but I have done this from the perspective that you are a very young boy that has not gone to school/highschool yet, or are homeschooled perhaps? Either way, you do not have a basic understanding of biology and I wanted to help.

No insult intended.


I did not watch the clip. I think I seen that individual before, I reminds me of a racist/loonie I seen years ago, I think he (thhat guy he reminds me of) thought that aliens came to "our world" and there is a big conspiracy against him and all kinds of weird things, he also was disgustingly racist.

I dont remember his name, Wells something, called himself a "doctor", was very important, anyway maybe a different guy(?).

 

[AV1611VET]

I assume you say "monkey" because of ignorance here and you confuse monkey and apes(?), that is no problem, semantics is a silly game to play, just mention it in hope you learn.

Ya -- it was the Scopes Ape Trial, wasn't it?

 

[Phred]

Ya -- it was the Scopes Ape Trial, wasn't it?

No, it was the Scopes Monkey Trial named such by folks like you who were using it in a derogatory manner. That doesn't make it true or relevant.

 

[Phred]

Man is not beast.
No, I don't have monkeys in my family tree.

Man IS beast.

You do have monkeys in your family tree. I'm guessing you might have them closer than most. However, to be picky your mom is an ape. Jesus was an ape.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Why do people not like being apes? Why do they reject that fact so quickly? Apes are awesome. Look who we share that title with:

Apes are awesome!

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

"On hearing, one June afternoon in 1860, the suggestion that mankind was descended from the apes, the wife of the Bishop of Worcester is said to have exclaimed, ‘My dear, descended from the apes! Let us hope it is not true, but if it is, let us pray that it will not become generally known.'"


Apes are awesome!

Why do people not like being apes? Why do they reject that fact so quickly? Apes are awesome. Look who we share that title with:

Apes are awesome!

 

[Split Rock]

I'm not trolling, Sara. Actually, I am having a blast.

Are you under the impression that trolls don't enjoy themselves? I bet Greg is having a bigger blast than you!

 

[Split Rock]

I assume you say "monkey" because of ignorance here and you confuse monkey and apes(?), that is no problem, semantics is a silly game to play, just mention it in hope you learn.

Ya -- it was the Scopes Ape Trial, wasn't it?

Aron-Ra has often argued that phylogenetically we are monkeys, just as all apes are.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Aron-Ra has often argued that phylogenetically we are monkeys, just as all apes are.

I agree with him. But "monkey" is more of a lay-term anyway, isn't it?

 

[SaraCurious]

Apes are awesome!

They sure are, and clearly shown to be more *civilized then most human societies/people as well.


(*using "civilized" in terms of refinement, even if they do share traits of war and anger, they are less that then us).

 

[Split Rock]

I agree with him. But "monkey" is more of a lay-term anyway, isn't it?

Yeah, kind of like "fish."

 

[SaraCurious]

Aron-Ra has often argued that phylogenetically we are monkeys, just as all apes are.

Indeed this is correct, but as Lion Hearted Man pointed out, its more of a semantic usage especially amongst laymen as ourself. I differentiate so people do not get confuse amongst all Primates (as these are simple names between different types of primates nothing else, Humans, Gorillas etc defined as Ape whiles Macaque etc as Monkey).

I could only remember one monkey (macaque) and then i'm blank, or well, uncertain, I ran into that one in thailand but don't know if it is native there, other people more educated, feel free to toss in more names of the deniers of reality want to complain about what we are.

 

[PhoceanCity]

Ya -- it was the Scopes Ape Trial, wasn't it?

Just to point out the trial's formal name was The State of Tennessee v. Scopes

Found in 2 minutes on google by a guy who didn't knew about it. You should know better than semantic debate AV.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just to point out the trial's formal name was The State of Tennessee v. Scopes

Found in 2 minutes on google by a guy who didn't knew about it. You should know better than semantic debate AV.

My point still stands -- irregardless of its legal name.

It's known as the Scopes Monkey Trial.

That means people were calling us monkeys long before I was even born.

And for the record, I don't believe I'm an ape, either.

(Don't ask my wife though -- )

 

[PhoceanCity]

My point still stands -- irregardless of its legal name.

It's known as the Scopes Monkey Trial.

That means people were calling us monkeys long before I was even born.

And for the record, I don't believe I'm an ape, either.

(Don't ask my wife though -- )

People can call a rock a rose, it won't make it smell like perfume.
Your point is moot since Scope Monkey Trial is the vernacular name.

 

[AV1611VET]

People can call a rock a rose, it won't make it smell like perfume.

That's right, and I don't have to accept the title Homo sapiens, either.

In fact, the Bible says that can (and does) lead to atheism.

 

[Nostromo]

I thought Ernie Wise was supposedly Jewish.

 

[sandwiches]

That's right, and I don't have to accept the title Homo sapiens, either.

In fact, the Bible says that can (and does) lead to atheism.

You don't have to accept what you are, by definition. It's like saying that I don't accept the fact that I have black hair. Well, that's fantastic but it doesn't change reality. You may not like it and you may not accept it but you're as much a homo sapiens as you are a human.

 

[JakeA]

That's right, and I don't have to accept the title Homo sapiens, either.

In fact, the Bible says that can (and does) lead to atheism.

Then you should argue that you are not Human either since Human is derived from "homo" as in a "hominid" which makes you an ape just like all other hominids, member of the species homo and who call themselves Human.

So don't say that you are human, because according to what you are saying, you are claiming that you are not.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then you should argue that you are not Human either since Human is derived from "homo" as in a "hominid" which makes you an ape just like all other hominids, member of the species homo and who call themselves Human.

So don't say that you are human, because according to what you are saying, you are claiming that you are not.

Homo = man

Homo = human being in scholastic and vernacular writing