Life in the time of the Dinosaurs was different to modern life

[Mr Laurier]

Only on paper.

No.
Again, you try to dismiss reality by insisting that it is "only on paper".
And again, the evidence refutes you.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Are you saying Shemjaza asked his question wrong?

Here's what he asked:

Are you saying he should have asked:

"What's an ape, according to [insert religion here]?"

I don't know what an ape is according to Hinduism, or Zoroastrianism, or even Christianity.

But I do know what an ape is, according to my opinion.

Your opinion, and 2.50, will buy a decent cup of coffee.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Can a human and an ape mate?
Animals mate after there kind.

If the ape is also a human.
Its like how a Toyota and a Tercel can race against one another.
A Tercel being a Toyota at the same time.

 

[ruthiesea]

Are you saying Shemjaza asked his question wrong?

Here's what he asked:

Are you saying he should have asked:

"What's an ape, according to [insert religion here]?"

I don't know what an ape is according to Hinduism, or Zoroastrianism, or even Christianity.

But I do know what an ape is, according to my opinion.

You’re the one who keeps quoting Christian scripture when the subject is scientific.

 

[AV1611VET]

No.
Again, you try to dismiss reality by insisting that it is "only on paper".
And again, the evidence refutes you.

No it doesn't.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your opinion, and 2.50, will buy a decent cup of coffee.

Well I realize Shem asked Semper-Fi ... not me ... but I've been known to give my opinion from time to time to someone who didn't ask me specifically.

 

[AV1611VET]

You’re the one who keeps quoting Christian scripture when the subject is scientific.

You should see me quote Christian scripture when the subject is not scientific too!

All seriousness aside though, had I just made the point that I believe an ape is a beast of the earth, he could have come back and asked me for a Scripture reference.

So I'll say it again:

I believe an ape is a beast of the earth, created just before mankind was created.

 

[Mr Laurier]

No it doesn't.

Except it does

 

[SelfSim]

... So I'll say it again:

I believe an ape is a beast of the earth, created just before mankind was created.

So exactly where do think that sub-conversation is going to go from thereon? Your beliefs are yours. Others have their own beliefs .. so what?

Every time you steer conversations in this same direction, I can't help but ask the question why do you do this? The end result goes exactly nowhere, so why interject with your beliefs in the first place?
They contribute *zip* to the direction of the conversation (and knowledge) and go on for pages, and pages, and pages of pointless meaninglessness ..

Others citing evidence that aren't based on their beliefs however, provide access for other people to gain insights and develop their own knowledge and allow them to delve further into the topic for themselves .. (ie: without having to go back to the source/mouthpiece of mere beliefs).
No one likes circularity, with nothing gained from going round and round the same old circle, y'know(?)

 

[AV1611VET]

Every time you steer conversations in this same direction, I can't help but ask the question why do you do this?

It's called reiteration: the act of repeating something for emphasis.

Until recently, I can't ever remember being asked what an ape was.

Usually I get the question: What is a human?

So when that question was asked, I almost just ignored it, but the LORD showed me that that question can indeed be answered from Scripture.

So I answered it.

And not just from Scripture, but I used seven different dictionaries as well.

So now I'm using reiteration for emphasis: both for myself, and for those who tune in as well.

 

[Semper-Fi]

What's an ape in your opinion?

"Ape", from Old English apa, is a word of uncertain origin.
Traditionally, the English-language vernacular name "apes"
does not include humans.

We Are Not Animals, rather than give us our own kingdom,
scientists lob humans into the animal kingdom. We possess
the most powerful instrument on the planet: the human mind.

A chimp can't mate with an orangutan...
so is there no such thing as an ape?

Science finds that Animals reproduce after there own kind.
Why not group them in that way like God does.

Ancestors of humans and modern apes did mate, we can see this in
the genetic evidence showing that we are one family.

That is debatable, Science is knowledge—that which can be
demonstrated and observed and repeated. Evolution cannot
be proved, it can only be believed.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Neither can a chimp and a gorilla, or a gorilla and an organutan.

Doesn't mean they aren't apes.

When there are humans at the local zoo in enclosures, alongside
apes and gorillas, I would still not believe we are related.

Man classifies himself as little more than a brute beast
aimlessly walking this Earth. Evolutionists claim that if
one creature is physically similar to another, it is
evidence of a common ancestor.

Science remains undecided and conflicted as to the exact origin of
life. Even the very definition of life is contested and rewritten.
Some say we are all Martians originally.

God is a creator, he creates and so does man, who are creators and
inventors. Can apes think or reason, write, read, compose music, or
drive cars, or understand mathematics and chemistry. They lack the
mental capacity to do any of these beyond the most rudimentary level.

Man can fly to the moon and back, they can contemplate there origins.
They even built weapons that can destroy all life on earth many times.
The great apes of Africa facing threat from the Ebola virus cannot make
a cure for themselfs.The human mind is vastly superior to the animal brain.

I know this is a science forum not a religious forum but
Evolution Is Religion, Not Science

And Natural Selection: An Answer to Everything.
-

Also Some people today would confess there sins against "Mother Earth"
—used to refer to the planet Earth as a woman or a goddess, rather
then confess there other sins to the creator of everything made.

Scientists even looking to the creature rather than the Creator for
their instruction in how to live (e.g. Romans 1:252 - Timothy 3)
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”.
"ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

He created humans after the God kind Genesis 1:26-27.
We mate only after our kind, and have dominion over the animals.
Modern Science and human history proves that.

 

[ottawak]

Man classifies himself as little more than a brute beast

No, it's creationsts who do that, saying that if we are related to the other creatures we must be little more than brute beasts. It's your conclusion, you deal with it, but no one else has to believe it.

 

[Semper-Fi]

No, it's creationsts who do that, saying that if we are related to the other creatures we must be little more than brute beasts. It's your conclusion, you deal with it, but no one else has to believe it.

The family Hominidae (hominids), the great apes, include four genera comprising three extant species of orangutans and their subspecies, two extant species of gorillas and their subspecies, two extant species of panins (bonobos and chimpanzees) and their subspecies, and humans in a single extant subspecies

 

[ottawak]

The family Hominidae (hominids), the great apes, include four genera comprising three extant species of orangutans and their subspecies, two extant species of gorillas and their subspecies, two extant species of panins (bonobos and chimpanzees) and their subspecies, and humans in a single extant subspecies

And...?

 

[Semper-Fi]

And...?

Beast most often refers to:

• Non-human animal

 

[ottawak]

Beast most often refers to:

• Non-human animal

That's fine, so a human animal is not a beast. What was your point?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

When there are humans at the local zoo in enclosures, alongside
apes and gorillas, I would still not believe we are related.

Man classifies himself as little more than a brute beast
aimlessly walking this Earth. Evolutionists claim that if
one creature is physically similar to another, it is
evidence of a common ancestor.

Science remains undecided and conflicted as to the exact origin of
life. Even the very definition of life is contested and rewritten.
Some say we are all Martians originally.

God is a creator, he creates and so does man, who are creators and
inventors. Can apes think or reason, write, read, compose music, or
drive cars, or understand mathematics and chemistry. They lack the
mental capacity to do any of these beyond the most rudimentary level.

Man can fly to the moon and back, they can contemplate there origins.
They even built weapons that can destroy all life on earth many times.
The great apes of Africa facing threat from the Ebola virus cannot make
a cure for themselfs.The human mind is vastly superior to the animal brain.

I know this is a science forum not a religious forum but
Evolution Is Religion, Not Science

And Natural Selection: An Answer to Everything.
-

Also Some people today would confess there sins against "Mother Earth"
—used to refer to the planet Earth as a woman or a goddess, rather
then confess there other sins to the creator of everything made.

Scientists even looking to the creature rather than the Creator for
their instruction in how to live (e.g. Romans 1:252 - Timothy 3)
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”.
"ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

He created humans after the God kind Genesis 1:26-27.
We mate only after our kind, and have dominion over the animals.
Modern Science and human history proves that.

There's nothing in there that proves me wrong at all. Humans are apes.

 

[Shemjaza]

"Ape", from Old English apa, is a word of uncertain origin.
Traditionally, the English-language vernacular name "apes"
does not include humans.

We Are Not Animals, rather than give us our own kingdom,
scientists lob humans into the animal kingdom. We possess
the most powerful instrument on the planet: the human mind.

You brought up the ability to breed as a reason as to why we aren't apes... then ignored it for other apes.

Science finds that Animals reproduce after there own kind.
Why not group them in that way like God does.

Because it isn't that simple.

Some species can interbreed, but not very well.

Some species can interbreed, but the offspring are mostly sterile.

Some species can interbreed with multiple species, but those species can't interbreed with each other.

But I agree with animals reproducing after their kind, because nothing can evolve out of their ancestry:
A human is a kind of ape, which is a kind of primate, which is a kind of mammal, which is a kind of amniote, which is a kind of vertebrate, which is a kind of animal.

That is debatable, Science is knowledge—that which can be
demonstrated and observed and repeated. Evolution cannot
be proved, it can only be believed.

Not true, it can be demonstrated and the evidence and analysis can be repeatedly observed and checked.

The process of mutation and selection can be demonstrated to have an effect on a small scale.

Models of what those micro changes could do on a larger scale can be predicted and then we can check other evidence like the patterns of genetics in modern life and the patterns of development in the remains of extinct life.

 

[AV1611VET]

There's nothing in there that proves me wrong at all. Humans are apes.

Not according to the Bible.

Humans are tripartites, made in the image and likeness of God from the dust of the ground.

Apes are beasts of the field.