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There is NO Scripture that says a man may not love a man. For instance, take a look at John 19:26 (KJV) “When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!”
Here, we see Jesus loving John. Also, we see the love between David and Jonathan in 1 Sam 18:1 (KJV) “And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.” It is very obvious that two men loved each other, deeply. David was not gay, (as many on these fora would have a heart attack if I implied it) for he lusted after Bathsheba, did he not?
I was wondering. Do you ask this as a Christian believer or as one outside the Christian faith? Trying to either support or condemn actions by scriptural legalism would, in many instances, be attempted justification by the law. I sense here that a justification of female-female unions is being sought. You will find none in the Bible. A condemnation of such perversions if found throughout the word of God.
I really want to slap people sometimes. Can someone help me find a Scripture that specifically says it is not OK to slap another person, especially if I really, really want to?
Romans chapter 1 starting at verse 26 To me, it's clear. But read it for yourself. I would challenge you to ask yourself this question: Where in the bible does it say homosexual relationships are ok? Go to Genesis...he made them male and female..thus came the first people. Another scripture speaks of "man leaving his father and mother to be joined with his wife".. so please ask yourself..where is there evidence in God's word that homosexual marriage and relationships are ok with God.I am looking for scriptures that specifically say that a woman or a man cannot love a person of the same gender. Not ones stating that a man CAN love a woman or related messages. I want ones saying they can or cannot love the same sex. Thanks!
I get it, God hates gays, then...
Seriously, some people don't think through their theology . Do you think Jesus is really saying those lines to condemn every single man on earth, or perhaps to only condemn hypocrites who pretend they don't lust?
I get it, God hates gays, then...
Seriously, some people don't think through their theology . Do you think Jesus is really saying those lines to condemn every single man on earth, or perhaps to only condemn hypocrites who pretend they don't lust?
No, saying something is sin, does not mean that God hates you. Jesus was not nice when he called out the pharisees as hypocrites, whitewashed tombs, and more. This did not mean Jesus hated the pharisees but the sin they were living in.
I will call it what it is and try to save them from hell, that is why Jesus died on the cross.
In my personal experience those that advocate for gay marriage are intolerant and hateful to those of us who hold to the Biblical God made definition of marriage.
God defines marriage,
Genesis 2
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Jesus reconfirms it in the NT,
Matthew 19:4-6
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Elsewhere in the NT, this definition of marriage is reconfirmed,
Ephesians 5:25: “For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her."
Bottom line if someone is pro gay marriage, put the burden on them to show where God defines marriages as between the same sex. The burden is theirs to prove this.
Four Greek Words for “Love”
Adapted from Precept Ministries International
1. Φιλἐω (Phileō)
a. Definition:
i. Phileō is a companionable love.
ii. This love speaks of affection, fondness, or liking.
iii. Kenneth Wuest says, “It is a love that is called out of one’s heart as
a response to the pleasure one takes in a person or object.” 1
iv. Phileō is a love that responds to kindness, appreciation, or love. It
involves giving as well as receiving; but when it is greatly strained,
it can collapse in a crisis.
v. Phileō is a higher love than eros because it is our happiness rather
than my happiness.
vi. This love is called out of one’s heart by qualities in another.
b. Usage:
i. It is used in a number of times in its noun and verb forms in the
New Testament.
ii. In John 21:15-17, it is contrasted with agape love.
c. References: Matt. 6:5, 10:37, 23:6, 26:48; Mark 14:44; Luke 20:46,
22:47; John 5:20, 11:3, 36, 12:25, 15:19, 16:27, 20:2, 21:15, 21:16-17; 1
Cor. 16:22; Titus 3:15; Rev. 3:19, 22:15 (see also Titus 2:4 philandros and
philoteknos)
2. Ἀγάπη or Ἀγαπάω (Agapē or Agapaō)
a. Definition:
i. Agapē is called out of one’s heart by the preciousness of the object
loved. It is a love of esteem, of evaluation. It has the idea of
prizing. It is the noblest word for love in the Greek language.2
ii. Agapē is not kindled by the merit or worth of it’s object, but it
originates in it’s own God-given nature. God is love.
iii. It delights in giving.
iv. This love keeps on loving even when the loved one is unresponsive,
unkind, unlovable, and unworthy. It is unconditional love.
v. Agapē desires only the good of the one loved. It is a consuming
passion for the well-being of others.
1 Kenneth Wuest, Wuest’s Word Studies in the Greek New Testament (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B.
Eerdmans Publishing Co,. 1975), Vol. III Bypaths, pp. 111-113
2 Wuest, pp. 111-113
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b. Usage:
i. There are only a few known occurrences of this word love outside
of the bible. In other words, this word was not used very often in
extra-biblical writings.
ii. It is used approximately three0hundred and twenty times in the
New Testament.
c. Selected References: John 3:16, 3:35, 13:34, 14:15, 15:9, 15:13; Romans
5:5, 13:8-10; Gal. 5:22; Eph. 3:17, 4:2, 4:15, 5:2, 5:25; Col. 3:14; 1 Thess.
3:12, 4:9-10; 1 Peter 4:8
3. Στοργή (Storgē)
a. Definition:
i. This love has its basis in one’s own nature.
ii. Storgē is a natural affection or natural obligation
iii. It is a natural movement of the soul for husband, wife, child or
dog.
iv. It is a quiet, abiding feeling within a man that rests on something
close to him and that he feels good about.
b. Usage:
i. In the New Testament storgē appears in the noun or verb form
with the preifx “a” and therefore negates the love and means
without this type of love. It is translated in Romans 1:31 and 2
Timothy 3:3 as “unloving” (without natural affection, KJV).
ii. In Romans 12:10, storgē is compounded with philos and is
translated “devoted” (kindly affectioned, KJV).
c. References: Romans 1:31, 12:10; 2 Timothy 3:3
4. Εροσ (Eros)
a. Definition:
i. This love is erotic love
ii. Eros is a love of passion, an overmastering passion that seizes and
absorbs itself into the mind.
iii. It is a love that is an emotional involvement based on body
chemistry.
iv. The basic idea of this love is self-satisfaction.
1. Though Eros is directed towards another, it actually has self
in mind. For example: “I love you because you make me
happy.”
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2. The foundation of this type of love is some characteristic in
the other person which pleases you. If the characteristic
would cease to exist, the reason for the love would be gone,
the result being, “I don’t love you anymore.
3. Eros looks for what it can receive. If it does give, it gives in
order to receive. If it fails to get what it wants or expects,
bitterness or resentment could develop.
b. Philosophy:
i. The philosophy of eros is that being loved depends on being
attractive in some way to another person.
ii. Because of this dependency, eros would be considered a conditional
type of love.
c. Usage:
i. Eros is not used in the New Testament.
ii. Eros is not use din the Septuagint. (The Septuagint, abbreviated
LXX, is the Greek translation of the Old Testament.)
https://www.mcleanbible.org/sites/d...ources/Chap3/GreekWordsforLoveWS_Chapter3.pdf
There is a difference between messing up and choosing to live a life of willfully messing up. We can ask forgiveness for both, but if our intention when we repent is to continue the same habit leading to the sin, am not sure that is going to turn out well.Ahh, the old hate the sin, love the sinner thing. I've never found that works out very well in practice.
Jesus did not die on the cross so that we must be sinless in this life. He died to make satisfaction for our sins, but that's not the same thing as only accepting us if we are perfectly sinless.
Ahh, the old hate the sin, love the sinner thing. I've never found that works out very well in practice.
Jesus did not die on the cross so that we must be sinless in this life. He died to make satisfaction for our sins, but that's not the same thing as only accepting us if we are perfectly sinless.
Ahh, the old hate the sin, love the sinner thing. I've never found that works out very well in practice.
Jesus did not die on the cross so that we must be sinless in this life. He died to make satisfaction for our sins, but that's not the same thing as only accepting us if we are perfectly sinless.
If the repentance is not true am not sure how we could expect the forgiveness to be.
I'm Lutheran, our forgiveness is not dependent on our degree of repentance, but repentance is a fruit of faith that leads to good works. If your experience is like mine, my repentance has never been something I could count on, even on my best days. As Luther wrote on the third article of the Creed, "I cannot of my own strength or reason fear, love, and trust in God, but only that the Holy Spirit calls me...".
Of course in this life, we will struggle with sin, this is what we mean by being simultaneously just and a sinner. But I'm not convinced being gay is a sign we've stopped struggling. In fact it is a very damaging message, especially for gay people to believe. It leads to despair in many cases in people that believe it. I would always point a gay person to Jesus who has died for all their sins and forgiven them, and to tell them to never doubt that.
Note, this is a totally seperate issue from the ethics of homosexuality. But just telling somebody because they are gay and they "lust", that they are in trouble with God, is ridiculous. We all lust. We just do. Inducing guilt into people won't change that ,and that's not Jesus intention with the Sermon on the Mount. His commandments are aimed at the proud and hypocritical: mostly religious people who think somehow they ingratiate themselves with God. His promises and blessings are aimed at the poor in spirit, the broken, and the oppressed.
For God so loved the world .... which would include "gays", it is just Sin, he does not like. It takes only one sin to go to Hell.
Gay or Straight, if they have Jesus as their Lord and Savior, then they are going to Heaven. It is a lifestyle of Sin that puts us out of his favor.
Struggling with sin is one thing, but living in sin is another.
If you practice Homosexualty you will have no part of God's Kingdom and this is a fact that you can't escape.
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. - 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Again, I'm a Lutheran, we are all simultaneously just and sinner. We all "live in sin.", we all long for that final redemption where sin and death will be no more.
The word homosexuality is a modern word that doesn't even appear in the Bible. Which means its down to interpretation. Especially in the verse you mention, which is a translation (somebody's opinion).
And yet Jesus says if we look at a woman with lust, we are an adulterer ourselves. Seems to me none of us should go to heaven. Thank God Jesus has taken away the sins of the world.
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