Let's Talk About Hell (3)

[Timothew]

westcott and hort has the comma (before). And that is the basis for most translations in use today so unless you are going to make your own translation I think your stuck with Hort.

Westcott and Hort wrote the Gospel of Luke? I've never heard that theory before. OK, go ahead and present your case.

Here is my expert witness that says the original manuscripts didn't have any commas:
"The original Greek and Hebrew did not have punctuation as is found in English"
New American Standard Bible (NASB) - Version Information - BibleGateway.com

So unless you are going to dig up your own manuscripts and write little commas in, I think your stuck with manuscripts without commas.

 

[Timothew]

wait a minute, I thought you DIDN'T adhere to JW grammar? Now you do?

There isn't a "JW grammar" there are only greek manuscripts, and they don't have commas, until somebody put them in.

Just because Bob is usually wrong, it doesn't mean that he is automatically wrong.

 

[Timothew]

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If you prove the original manuscript had a comma before today then you make your case. If you can't, then you don't have a case.

The experts agree that the original manuscripts did not have any commas, because commas were not used then.

 

[LutheranMafia]

Westcott and Hort wrote the Gospel of Luke? I've never heard that theory before. OK, go ahead and present your case.

Here is my expert witness that says the original manuscripts didn't have any commas:
"The original Greek and Hebrew did not have punctuation as is found in English"
New American Standard Bible (NASB) - Version Information - BibleGateway.com

So unless you are going to dig up your own manuscripts and write little commas in, I think your stuck with manuscripts without commas.

It doesn't need commas. "Today with me" makes it clear what is meant. That is why there is not a single genuinely Christian group that agrees with your distorted translation.

 

[Timothew]

I can't believe you guys are actually disagreeing with me on this.

 

[LutheranMafia]

I don't believe that you think you are justified when not a single translation other than the JW's agrees with you. Not a single one.

 

[Timothew]

It doesn't need commas. "Today with me" makes it clear what is meant. That is why there is not a single genuinely Christian group that agrees with your distorted translation.

"(Annihilationism) experienced a resurgence in the 1980s when several prominent theologians including John Stott[3] defended it publicly."
Annihilationism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nice use of the "No true Scotsman" defense.

 

[LutheranMafia]

just excuses. We know if you quack like a duck you are one.

 

[Timothew]

 

[createdtoworship]

"(Annihilationism) experienced a resurgence in the 1980s when several prominent theologians including John Stott[3] defended it publicly."
Annihilationism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nice use of the "No true Scotsman" defense.

jehovah's witnesses believe in annihilation, what does it make us if we believe the same? (quack quack)

 

[createdtoworship]

There isn't a "JW grammar" there are only greek manuscripts, and they don't have commas, until somebody put them in.

Just because Bob is usually wrong, it doesn't mean that he is automatically wrong.

the two main manuscript families have grammar codes

westcott and hort has the comma (before).

and textus receptus.

but lutheranmafia is right, you don't need the grammar in that verse.

 

[he-man]

the two main manuscript families have grammar codes westcott and hort has the comma (before). and textus receptus.
but lutheranmafia is right, you don't need the grammar in that verse.

Jesus was going to be dead for 3 1/2 days in fact there is no punctuation at all in the early Manuscripts.

A person is not born into the Kingdom of God until after the resurrection even the thief was aware of that.

Luk 23:42 And he said: Jesus, remember me when thou comest in thy kingdom.

Mr 8:31 And he began to teach them, that many to suffer to see the Son of man, and to be disapproved of the High Priest and of the elders, and learned in the Mosaic law, and to be brutalized, and after three days to be resurrected.

Mr 9:9 They understood from the mountain, and he enjoined them that they should relate to no one what they saw, except when the Son of man should be resurrected out of the dead.


Joh 3:12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,eventhe Son of man which is in heaven.


Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

 

[createdtoworship]

Jesus was going to be dead for 3 1/2 days in fact there is no punctuation at all in the early Manuscripts.

A person is not born into the Kingdom of God until after the resurrection even the thief was aware of that.

Luk 23:42 And he said: Jesus, remember me when thou comest in thy kingdom.

Mr 8:31 And he began to teach them, that many to suffer to see the Son of man, and to be disapproved of the High Priest and of the elders, and learned in the Mosaic law, and to be brutalized, and after three days to be resurrected.

Mr 9:9 They understood from the mountain, and he enjoined them that they should relate to no one what they saw, except when the Son of man should be resurrected out of the dead.


Joh 3:12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,eventhe Son of man which is in heaven.


Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

why do all the verses you quote have commas in them then?

 

[Timothew]

jehovah's witnesses believe in annihilation, what does it make us if we believe the same? (quack quack)

It would make you a bible believing christian.
The wages of sin is death, not eternal torment in hell.

Mormans believe in hell, what does it make you if you believe the same?
quack quack.

Hitler believed in hell, what does it make you if you believe the same?
quack quack

The spanish inquisition believed in hell, what does it make you if you believe the same?
quack quack

The terrorists who flew the planes on 9-11-01 believed in hell, what does it make you if you believe the same?
quack quack

 

[Timothew]

why do all the verses you quote have commas in them then?

We use commas in english, they didn't use commas in koine greek, OK?

 

[createdtoworship]

It would make you a bible believing christian.
The wages of sin is death, not eternal torment in hell.

Mormans believe in hell, what does it make you if you believe the same?
quack quack.

Hitler believed in hell, what does it make you if you believe the same?
quack quack

The spanish inquisition believed in hell, what does it make you if you believe the same?
quack quack

The terrorists who flew the planes on 9-11-01 believed in hell, what does it make you if you believe the same?
quack quack

It would make me a spanish mormon hitler who likes planes.

but at least I am not a jehovah's witness like you are.

 

[createdtoworship]

We use commas in english, they didn't use commas in koine greek, OK?

TEXTUS RECEPTUS 1881 original greek manuscript
has greek grammar in it.

so your wrong they did use grammar, there are lots of grammar codes in modern manuscripts. Yes somewhere along the line they added them in there, but they added verses numbers too, and that hasn't stopped you.

 

[Timothew]

TEXTUS RECEPTUS 1881 original greek manuscript
has greek grammar in it.

so your wrong they did use grammar, there are lots of grammar codes in modern manuscripts. Yes somewhere along the line they added them in there, but they added verses numbers too, and that hasn't stopped you.

The original manuscripts did not have commas, I don't care if you believe me or not.

 

[createdtoworship]

The original manuscripts did not have commas, I don't care if you believe me or not.

surely you can reference some site, or authority that agrees with you? Or are you the only one in the world to believe this exaggeration.

 

[Timothew]

surely you can reference some site, or authority that agrees with you? Or are you the only one in the world to believe this exaggeration.

Yes, I posted it before.

Here it is again:

Here is my expert witness that says the original manuscripts didn't have any commas:
"The original Greek and Hebrew did not have punctuation as is found in English"
New American Standard Bible (NASB) - Version Information - BibleGateway.com

If you don't read my posts, you will not receive the information that is in my posts.

But. once again, I don't care if you don't believe me. The FACT is that there are no commas in the original manuscripts. You can deny this all you want. I don't care. Westcott and Hort Manuscript are NOT the original mnanuscripts.

How about this. If you really believe there are commas in the early manuscripts, show me one with commas in it.

surely you can reference some site, or authority that agrees with you? Or are you the only one in the world to believe this exaggeration.

You don't have to be like this. Aren't you ashamed?