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No, you weren't rude, and I'm sure it's me who
is at fault. It did go right over my head! LOL

Was it one of those, "I hate it when that happens"
kind of comment?

No need to apologize, it's fun.
^_^

yes, exactly!

it seems you're better at expressing yourself than i am.
 
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For all you followers of Jesus and His Word I'm still waiting for just one verse that says Sunday is the Lord's Day. I'll make it even simpler, give me one verse that says the 7th day Sabbath was changed to the first day. I need to teach my children from the Bible why we observe Sunday and gather on Sunday for sacred assembly instead of the 7 day. Just one verse. There must be hundreds of them since just about everyone is gathering for sacred assembly on Sunday. I'm hoping we still have a desire for truth.
 
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For all you followers of Jesus and His Word I'm still waiting for just one verse that says Sunday is the Lord's Day. I'll make it even simpler, give me one verse that says the 7th day Sabbath was changed to the first day. I need to teach my children from the Bible why we observe Sunday and gather on Sunday for sacred assembly instead of the 7 day. Just one verse. There must be hundreds of them since just about everyone is gathering for sacred assembly on Sunday.

here, here! :thumbsup:
 
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Did you ever wonder why just about the whole world flipped from the 7th day to the first day? There is no Bible support for it, Jesus never taught it, the early church never gathered on Sunday. The Bible speaks of this as something prophetic becoming reality. Do you think that just maybe someone is pulling the wool over your eyes? Did you ever think that this could be the work of a very clever angelic being who wants to be worshiped as God?
 
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Show me one Bible verse that says Sunday is the Lord's day?

There must be many verses that say Sunday is the Lord's day since just about the entire Christian community, who get their beliefs from the Bible, say Sunday is the Lord's day.


I'll be waiting...:sleep:

Solo and Sola Scripturists are reeling over this one.
 
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Solo and Sola Scripturists are reeling over this one.

I work with at risk youth and I try to get into the Word of God but they are very skeptical. It's not easy trying to make God real in their lives when there is so many conflicting things going on in the church such as Jesus being born on December 25th the Easter Bunny, Sunday service and all that.
There's nothing in the Bible to support any of this.
 
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Show me one Bible verse that says Sunday is the Lord's day?

There must be many verses that say Sunday is the Lord's day since just about the entire Christian community, who get their beliefs from the Bible, say Sunday is the Lord's day.


I'll be waiting...:sleep:

What do you make of:

Acts 20:7
Col 2:16
1Cor 16:2

Just curious.
 
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For all you followers of Jesus and His Word I'm still waiting for just one verse that says Sunday is the Lord's Day.
There are none.
Sunday is not the "Lord's Day".
Every day is the Lord's Day.
But the Sabbath was made for man.
BY the Lord, According TO God

Then Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath.


I'll make it even simpler, give me one verse that says the 7th day Sabbath was changed to the first day. I need to teach my children from the Bible why we observe Sunday and gather on Sunday for sacred assembly instead of the 7 day. Just one verse. There must be hundreds of them since just about everyone is gathering for sacred assembly on Sunday. I'm hoping we still have a desire for truth.
There's not one thing wrong with assembling on Sunday.
We should assemble every chance we get, but we're carnally minded
for the most part.
Either way, we are not under compulsion to meet on a certain day.

Solo and Sola Scripturists are reeling over this one.
Not a bit.
 
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I've asked a lot of people what day of the week is Sunday,----I've lost track of how many would say--it's the 7th!---The 1st time I heard it busted out laughinh, I,m better at controlling myself now. I just ask, what day of the week was Christ raised--the first--Sunday. Then they would get this confused look on their face. Sooooo---you go to church on Sunday because it's the 7th day of the week, then what is the first day of the week?--they answer--"Monday!"--Really?--"Yah, Monday starts the week, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!"--Really? Then why do all the calenders start with Sunday as the first day of the week?---UHHH--I explain that the work week starts on a Mon. but not the actual week--"Oh, yah--that's right. Sunday is the 1st day of the week, when Christ was raised from the dead--I guess that's why we go to church on Sunday--to comemorate His resurrection."--OK--but where in the bible does it say that Sunday would now be the day of worship?---"I don't know, must be in there somewhere or we wouldn't be doing it!"---What day did God designate?--"The 7th, of course"--
It became pretty obvious, that most people never really even think about it--they do what is convenient, not what God said to do. From here on out, they then go to their minister, priest, whatever to get the "truth" and they come back with the usual stuff. And after several more discussions, the readily accept that Saturday is the 7th day asnd that's what God wants--but it's just plain not convenient and not what everybody is doing, so they will continue to do what everybody else is doing--it doesn't really matter anyway--everyday is His---blah, blah, blah--bottom line is CONVINIENCE. Then, of course, they get into, we're not under the law--and so then we discuss that, bring in the whole book of Hebrews, and explain about the law in light of the book of Hebrews and what the diciples were saying when they said "not under the law"--I've had people, many of them, actually see the whole thing, they truly understand, I've known of priests and ministers who finally say they see it---but they are not going to change, it's way too much a disruption of their lives, their jobs, their families--some ministers have said they would loose their congregations if they did this--it's way too much too handle and then they come up with the clincher--God understands why I can't change and He'll forgive me, and off they go. I used to get very discouraged, until a couple times I had some people who many years later finally decided to keep God's special rest day and say that it bothered them for years after they knew the truth but couldn't get the courage to turn their lives upside down until they couldn't run from it anymore.

So I realize we are just asked to sow the seeds--God will take care of the rest. God is patient--so I just pray they don't die without acknowledging the light they were shown.

Hang in there!
 
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[ ressOTE=mmksparbud;64802182]I've asked a lot of people what day of the week is Sunday,----I've lost track of how many would say--it's the 7th!---The 1st time I heard it busted out laughinh, I,m better at controlling myself now. I just ask, what day of the week was Christ raised--the first--Sunday. Then they would get this confused look on their face. Sooooo---you go to church on Sunday because it's the 7th day of the week, then what is the first day of the week?--they answer--"Monday!"--Really?--"Yah, Monday starts the week, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!"--Really? Then why do all the calenders start with Sunday as the first day of the week?---UHHH--I explain that the work week starts on a Mon. but not the actual week--"Oh, yah--that's right. Sunday is the 1st day of the week, when Christ was raised from the dead--I guess that's why we go to church on Sunday--to comemorate His resurrection."--OK--but where in the bible does it say that Sunday would now be the day of worship?---"I don't know, must be in there somewhere or we wouldn't be doing it!"---What day did God designate?--"The 7th, of course"--
It became pretty obvious, that most people never really even think about it--they do what is convenient, not what God said to do. From here on out, they then go to their minister, priest, whatever to get the "truth" and they come back with the usual stuff. And after several more discussions, the readily accept that Saturday is the 7th day asnd that's what God wants--but it's just plain not convenient and not what everybody is doing, so they will continue to do what everybody else is doing--it doesn't really matter anyway--everyday is His---blah, blah, blah--bottom line is CONVINIENCE. Then, of course, they get into, we're not under the law--and so then we discuss that, bring in the whole book of Hebrews, and explain about the law in light of the book of Hebrews and what the diciples were saying when they said "not under the law"--I've had people, many of them, actually see the whole thing, they truly understand, I've known of priests and ministers who finally say they see it---but they are not going to change, it's way too much a disruption of their lives, their jobs, their families--some ministers have said they would loose their congregations if they did this--it's way too much too handle and then they come up with the clincher--God understands why I can't change and He'll forgive me, and off they go. I used to get very discouraged, until a couple times I had some people who many years later finally decided to keep God's special rest day and say that it bothered them for years after they knew the truth but couldn't get the courage to turn their lives upside down until they couldn't run from it anymore.

So I realize we are just asked to sow the seeds--God will take care of the rest. God is patient--so I just pray they don't die without acknowledging the light they were shown.

Hang in there![/QUOTE]

if you notice the prophecy in Daniel speaks of the beast changing God's law and times, times with an "S". there is a massive distortion of truth when it comes to God's timelines. the timing of his birth December 25th, the timing of his second coming, the timing of his death and resurrection, the seventh day Sabbath are just a few of the times that were changed. Jesus didn't die on Friday and resurrect Sunday morning. That was all a distortion of truth to help support and promote Sunday worship. Go here to find the truth about this. http://www.christianforums.com/t7795111/#post64745230
 
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Is this like Schrödinger's cat?
Does Schrodinger have toast?
Because I notice whenever buttered toast is dropped, it lands butterside down. But since cats always land on their feet, the experiment to conduct would obviously be to butter a cat's back (but you might have to toast him, too)
 
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I've heard unconvincing argument that this scripture doesn't refer to the sabbath in question, rather to other various sabbaths:
Col2:16: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
 
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Show me one Bible verse that says Sunday is the Lord's day?

There must be many verses that say Sunday is the Lord's day since just about the entire Christian community, who get their beliefs from the Bible, say Sunday is the Lord's day.


I'll be waiting...:sleep:
Just my opinion...

I think it's cool if you worship the Lord on Saturday. No problem bro.
I'll worship the Lord on Sunday, I hope that's okay with you. I believe the Lord rose from death early on a Sunday. That makes Sunday kind of special to me. I can see that the seventh day was special too. God rested from his work on that day, and we rest from our work in Christ. Friday is a special day for me, since that is the day that Christ died on the cross taking my sins away. Maybe Friday is the best day for worship. Thursday is good too. The last supper was probably on a Thursday, so that would be a good day to worship and take the Lord's Supper. Monday is the start of the workweek. I think we should worship God at the start of the week, just to start things off right. There isn't much happening Tuesday or Wednesday. Maybe we should worship God on one of those days, since there isn't anything else to do on Tuesday or Wednesday.

Why don't we try worshiping the Lord every day?
Then we don't have to argue about whose day is best.
 
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I've heard unconvincing argument that this scripture doesn't refer to the sabbath in question, rather to other various sabbaths:
Col2:16: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

The context of Col 2:16 is that Jesus is our righteousness, He paid our sin debt. Jesus is the end of the Law for righteousness.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

This being true we no longer view the Law as a means to be in right standing with God but we do use it to define godly love. You can't say you love God while you, without conviction, worship other gods, worship idols, use the Lord's name in vain, forget the seventh day as God's special day.

Back to Col. 2:16. Because we are not to view the Law for righteousness we are not to judge or condemn anyone for what they do on the Sabbath, that's between them and God based on a love relationship.

The words, "Let no one judge you" does not mean done away with. It means "Let no one judge you". If you want to work on the Sabbath that's between you and God and it's no one's business. It would be like you judging me for not showing up to my wife's birthday party.


The seventh day was created as a blessed and sacred day even before sin was even in the world. It was even blessed and sanctified before there was ever a Jewish person.

Before the Ten Commandments people were worshiping other gods, worshiping idols, using the Lord's name in vain and forgetting the seventh day. That's because they didn't know God. God used Israel to teach the world who He was and what He is like. When God gave the Ten Commandments at Mt.Sinai there were a mix multitude of both Jews and non-Jews there. The Law was for all people. One Law for all people. Jesus Himself said the Sabbath was made for all mankind, not just Jewish people.

We, as born again Christians, should value what God values and hate what God hates. We don't need a Law on stone for that because God will write the Law in our hearts and minds.
 
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Sunday is the First Day of the week.
Sunday is the day of the Resurrection.
Sunday is when churches met ...

1. Originally the Church used to meet EVERY DAY -

AC 2:42 They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

2. Then we see collection being established on Sunday ...
It is certain that Apostle Paul is to visit them the same day and not a week later on Saturday. I hope you see why.

1CO 16:2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.


3. We see communion being celebrated (as well as preaching) on Sunday ...

AC 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.

All believers gathering - Sunday
Communion - Sunday
Preaching - Sunday
Collection of money - Sunday

Consequently the Church service is celebrated on Sunday (the First Day).
It is very Scriptural.

Of course, as a matter of choice one could celebrate it any other day, as well.

But it is more Biblical to have a church service on the Day of the Resurrection.

Thanks,
In Christ,
Ed
 
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