Lets keep it simple...

[maco]

Meanwhile, what is the defense for the idea that Traditions are ebil?

When tradition nullifies a commandment of God it becomes a problem.

Matthew 15:3 Jesus answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?

Matthew 15:6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition.

Mark 7:9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.

Mark 7:13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

 

[maco]

Then I guess we're all just gonna to have to go to Hell then, huh?

The fact of the matter is that you seem to think people were like "forget Saturday, Saturday's stupid, let's make it Sunday, because Sunday is AWESOME!"
Why don't you look at the real reason, instead of Bible thumping, acting stupid.

Switch your day to Saturday. Has anything changed for you?
Hell no, it has not. And you're just bent out of shape, like 'ol Ellen herself, who just wanted to one up white people, in thinking you have some moral supremacy over a DAY.

Still no verse that says Sunday is the Lord's day?

 

[ChristianT]

Here's a Lil Bub to calm the proclamations.

If only there was a "Like" button!

 

[ChristianT]

Still no verse that says Sunday is the Lord's day?

Just like there's no verse that says "God is a Trinity," or "Scripture alone," or a host of many beliefs we may or may not share that are "biblical" nonetheless.





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[maco]

If only there was a "Like" button!

 

[maco]

Just like there's no verse that says "God is a Trinity," or "Scripture alone," or a host of many beliefs we may or may not share that are "biblical" nonetheless.

That's why I believe we shouldn't make them a foundational requirement to determine if one is a Christian.

 

[SwordFall]

Still no verse that says Sunday is the Lord's day?

The very fact that your whole argument hinges on that really says more about you then me.

Is there a verse that says you exist? Find me a verse that says "maco exists".
Can't do it?
Then, you must not.

Case in point, you aren't interested in reasoning, you are basically just plowing through others with an invalid standing. Which is typical of many, to be sure, but about the Sabbath?
You need to educate yourself.

 

[prodromos]

The apostles words are in the bible.

Some of them. Does it not bother you that of the 12 Apostles we only received a few letters from Peter and John? The bulk of the New Testament is made up of letters from Paul, a later convert, and much of what he wrote was to correct errors in the beliefs and practice of christian communities he had first established through teaching them directly.

We live in a society with very high levels of literacy, there are only a small minority who cannot read or write. This was not the case in the time of the apostles, many of whom themselves could not write, making use of scribes to write as they recited their letters. The oral tradition of elders passing on their teaching which would then be accurately passed on to the next generation appears to be completely dismissed by today's literate society which cannot comprehend anything other than the written word being used to pass on information.

 

[prodromos]

Do you hear how silly you sound.

It only sounds silly to you because you cannot comprehend a society where oral testimony was held in much higher regard than written testimony.

We just get sillier and sillier the more we try to use human reason to refute clear biblical truth.

and yet the church grew and spread rapidly years before any of the Apostles wrote a single verse of what we now call the New Testament.
You should consider the American Indians who were a completely oral society. They have been able to accurately pass on vast amounts of knowledge from generation to generation without a single thing being written down.

 

[yogosans14]

Do you feel the desire to lash out at me because of my question? Did you ever wonder where that feeling is coming from?

There is not one verse in the entire Bible that says Sunday is the Lord's day so the fact that I say the seventh day Sabbath is the Lord's day and because it's all over the Bible you get the urge to lash out. Did you ever wonder why that is? Where is that feeling coming from? Is it coming from God?

The seventh day is the Lord's day and Jesus didn't resurrect on Sunday nor did the early church gather on Sunday. All I'm doing is speaking the truth.

Here comes that urge to lash out again.

yeah we know and there is no hell blah blah blah SDA propaganda. Christians worship God in Spirit in truth, we are no longer under the law HELLO?Read your bible not what ellen g white said is correct.

 

[MJohn7]

Some of them. Does it not bother you that of the 12 Apostles we only received a few letters from Peter and John? The bulk of the New Testament is made up of letters from Paul, a later convert, and much of what he wrote was to correct errors in the beliefs and practice of christian communities he had first established through teaching them directly.

We live in a society with very high levels of literacy, there are only a small minority who cannot read or write. This was not the case in the time of the apostles, many of whom themselves could not write, making use of scribes to write as they recited their letters. The oral tradition of elders passing on their teaching which would then be accurately passed on to the next generation appears to be completely dismissed by today's literate society which cannot comprehend anything other than the written word being used to pass on information.

Well, it seems that the letters in the bible teach that we should live a certain way and the theme is reiterated in different letters which leads me to think its not complicated, im not sure what other writings can add to that. Im just keeping it simple and staying free from denominations that do nothing but disagree over what i consider petty things. I do what i know, God will Judge.

 

[NorrinRadd]

Of course there is no such verse. The sad thing is that so much of the Church has regressed into the carnal mindset of the Obsolete Covenant, regarding certain days as more "holy," others as less so, and occasionally some as "unholy."

The day(s) we "ought" to gather are whichever ones the majority of our local congregation finds most convenient.

 

[sunlover1]

Show me one Bible verse that says Sunday is the Lord's day?

There must be many verses that say Sunday is the Lord's day since just about the entire Christian community, who get their beliefs from the Bible, say Sunday is the Lord's day.

I'll be waiting...

I never say Sunday is the Lord's Day.
Every day is His.

 

[JohnRabbit]

I never say Sunday is the Lord's Day.
Every day is His.

well i guess God didn't get your memo, because He seems to think there is one particular day that is the Lord's Day!


Isaiah 58:13(NKJV)
13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,

 

[sunlover1]

Of course there is no such verse. The sad thing is that so much of the Church has regressed into the carnal mindset of the Obsolete Covenant, regarding certain days as more "holy," others as less so, and occasionally some as "unholy."

The day(s) we "ought" to gather are whichever ones the majority of our local congregation finds most convenient.

True ^
it says not to forsake the "assembling" of ourselves.
Period.
Maybe he figured if He said more that men would
make some sort of Sabbath doctrine of it.
Church of the Sabbath Keepers or such.

 

[sunlover1]

well i guess God didn't get your memo, because He seems to think there is one particular day that is the Lord's Day!


Isaiah 58:13(NKJV)
13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,

When I did try to keep it, I was under a curse.
And I couldn't keep it anyhow. It's impossible. Even were I to
lay in bed and not move that day, I may think of something
pleasurable and then I'd be undone.

 

[JohnRabbit]

When I did try to keep it, I was under a curse.
And I couldn't keep it anyhow. It's impossible. Even were I to
lay in bed and not move that day, I may think of something
pleasurable and then I'd be undone.

i hate it!

 

[sunlover1]

i hate it!

Hate what?
The cold? Is it bad in Alabama too?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Hate what?
The cold? Is it bad in Alabama too?

no, i was a responding to what you said about you keeping the sabbath, having trouble and all.

so i just used an expression, that's all, was meant in jest!

that's the only thing about posting sometimes, you lose some nuances.

if it was confusing, i apologize.

no disrespect intended.

 

[sunlover1]

no, i was a responding to what you said about you keeping the sabbath, having trouble and all.

so i just used an expression, that's all, was meant in jest!

that's the only thing about posting sometimes, you lose some nuances.

if it was confusing, i apologize.

no disrespect intended.

No, you weren't rude, and I'm sure it's me who
is at fault. It did go right over my head! LOL

Was it one of those, "I hate it when that happens"
kind of comment?

No need to apologize, it's fun.