Let's clear up the Eschatology Scripture?

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[Revealing Times]

Rev. 15 has more than one set of plagues in it.
there are
the seven last plagues
then in a new vision - the seven plagues
then one of the four beasts/in the east - gives them
seven full vials - so seven more plagues
Only the seven plagues of the seven angels that they left
the temple with have to end before men can enter into
the temple in heaven.
Rev. 16 has not been seen yet - it is not the same set of
seven plagues.
plus Rev. 21 refers to the seven last plagues
/that is the third set of seven
See how after the plagues end God remembers Babylon's
sins again. When God remembers sin - then punishment follows.
Rev. 18 - double unto her

Rev. 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. The vials are the seven plagues mentioned here it seems. Babylon is the Last Beast System, essentially it is the Anti-Christs Kingdom, and Babylon being destroyed is this world being destroyed, a 1/3 of all trees will be burned and all grasses will be burned. The Destruction of All False Religion by the Anti-Christ in Revelation 17 is followed by the Destruction of our last World Gov. entity in Rev. 18. All these happen with the Plagues/Vial/Trumpets of God save the Harlot being destroyed by the Kings in league with the Beast, so he can be worshiped as the ONLY GOD !!

Then Rev. 19 is upon us, Jesus returns with us Saints.

 

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[LastSeven]

Hello brother, it very well could be that way, but from reading the entire verse, I think it is referring to the Tares being Bound, in other words they are Bound to be judged. Now that might sound dicey until we read the entire verse, what are all the clues pointing toward ? And the Nations are angry, because Gods Wrath has come, well we know the Seven Vials are Gods Wrath. Then we see that Gods Prophets and Saints will be Rewarded, we know God is not going to wait 1000 years to reward his faithful servants, and at last we destroy (slay) those that destroy the earth (via sin). I am not saying there is no chance of your understanding not being correct, I am just saying that if we weigh everything in the balance, it appears to be at the end of the Tribulation period.

So you're saying the seventh trumpet blows at the beginning of the thousand years, because you think it coincides with the end of the tribulation period? Well then maybe you should place the end of the tribulation period in the timeline according to the description of the seventh trumpet, rather than the other way around, as the trumpet description is clear. The judging coincides with it, and that can't be ignored.

 

[LastSeven]

Chapter 19 does happen before chapter 20, as they are the
same vision unfolding to John. Rev. 20 is not the start of a new
vision.

No, actually Revelation 20 is a summary of the entire vision. Notice that both Revelation 19 and 20 describe the battle of Armageddon. Also the battle is described in Revelation 16. Three references to the same battle, which is further proof that John is repeating himself.

 

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[LastSeven]

Chapter 20 begins with And. It is not a new vision point...
but the next step after the end of chapter 19.
Rev. 16 is not the same vision.

That's what you think. You might want to look into "Progressive parallelism in Revelation" before you dismiss what I'm saying.

 

[Razare]

I voted soon, but I mean like the next 80 years.

It's what I think, but I have also thought at times he cannot come back until the church fulfills it's ordained ministry. Few people know about this ministry, you have to get past the 101 lies that prevent a person from seeing it. Tommy Hicks saw it in 1961 in a vision from God.

I can see it in the word of God, but the reason I can see it is because God called me to it. If you're just repeating a doctrine from a denomination, you wont know what I'm talking about.

 

[Revealing Times]

So you're saying the seventh trumpet blows at the beginning of the thousand years, because you think it coincides with the end of the tribulation period? Well then maybe you should place the end of the tribulation period in the timeline according to the description of the seventh trumpet, rather than the other way around, as the trumpet description is clear. The judging coincides with it, and that can't be ignored.

Well as I see it, the Seventh Trumpet blows, and the Seven Vials then come to pass in quick, staccato type fashion, boom, boom, boom, in real quick succession. I think chapter 10 bears this out....Rev. 10:5 Then the angel that I had seen standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven. 6 He swore an oath by the One who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it: “There will no longer be an interval of time,[c] 7 but in the days of the sound of the seventh angel, when he will blow his trumpet, then God’s hidden plan will be completed, as He announced to His servants[d] the prophets.” {{What this seems to mean to me is that the Seals and Trumpets took quite a bit of time, the fifth Trumpet of the Locust Demons was a 5 Month period in and of itself. But once the Seventh Trumpet sounds, the Seven Vials of Gods wrath will come Bang, bang, bang, bang.....There will be no more intervals of time. In other words all of the bowls, including Armageddon will come to pass within a month or two. Once one vial has been poured out, another is poured out, it might just be a matter of weeks.

As per the Dead being judged on Rev. 11.........11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. {{ I Think this means the Dead in Christ Jesus, because right after this mention of judging the Dead, it says that REWARDS should be given to the Servants and Saints. So lets go to Chapter 20 and see if Dead Servants of God get Judged at THIS TIME..........Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. { The Beheaded are Judged NOW, but the Rest of the Dead are judged in a 1000 years. I think the Dead spoken of in Rev. 11, is these beheaded Saints, brother. }

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The Dead being judged are beheaded Saints here, not the Wicked who will be judged in 1000 years. Judgment starts at the house of the Lord.

 

[LastSeven]

{ The Beheaded are Judged NOW, but the Rest of the Dead are judged in a 1000 years. I think the Dead spoken of in Rev. 11, is these beheaded Saints, brother. }

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The Dead being judged are beheaded Saints here, not the Wicked who will be judged in 1000 years. Judgment starts at the house of the Lord.

The way I see your position is that you have exactly one reason to think that there are two separate judgments, and only one reason. It all boils down to this: You think that the book of Revelation is written chronologically. Are you open to considering that it might not be?

 

[Revealing Times]

The way I see your position is that you have exactly one reason to think that there are two separate judgments, and only one reason. It all boils down to this: You think that the book of Revelation is written chronologically. Are you open to considering that it might not be?

This is one of my threads or blogs on my Channel. I thought I had already posted it here, maybe not....But no, I do not think in anywise it is in Chronological order.

Revelation is not in chronological order


Revelation chapter six is the Seals so it is not ending right before the return of Christ with us Saints in Revelation 19. The end of each of these chapters I point out below ends close to Jesus' return, like chapter 12, we know it starts at around the birth of Israel/birth of Christ but it ends with Satan chasing Israel into the wilderness in the 42 month period and her being protected 42 months, which puts the end of the chapter right at Jesus' return.

1. Revelation chapter 7 ends with the Saints that died in the Tribulation standing before the throne of God.
2. Rev. 9 has the Armies of Armageddon/200 thousand, thousand.
3. Rev. 10 is John eating the the book which had the uttering's of the seven thunders, in 7:7 it says when he begins to sound, the mystery of God will be finished.
4. In Revelation 11 the two witnesses prophesy 1260 days. The end of the 1260 will be the end.
5. In Revelation chapter 12 I have already explained, it ends with Israel in the Wilderness
6. Rev. 13 speaks of the Beast and his 42 months. This will be the end no doubt.
7. Rev. 14 has Jesus and the 144,000 and ends with the angel thrusting the sickle into the earth to harvest the harvest.
8. Rev. 15 is the Seven Last Plagues.
9. Rev. 16 is the Seven Vials of Gods wrath.
9. Rev. 17 is the Great Harlot being Judged of God.
10. Rev. 18 is the World (Babylon) being judged by God.

Then in Revelation 19 we see the Saints who were raptured coming back with Jesus on white horses. So much of the book of Revelation is happening at the same time.

All of those chapters are happening concurrently.

 

[LastSeven]

o.k. then why do you believe the seventh trumpet blows prior to the thousand years beginning?

 

[Revealing Times]

o.k. then why do you believe the seventh trumpet blows prior to the thousand years beginning?

9 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


At this very moment we know by reading Chapter 20 that Satan is bound in the pit for 1000 years, and those beheaded are judged righteous, while the rest of the Dead are not brought to judgment for another 1000 years. We see in verse 21 above, that ALL THE WICKED ARE SLAIN by Jesus. So if this is not after the 7th Trumpet and after the 7 Vials of God wrath, who will this wrath be poured out upon ? The wicked have been slain by Jesus.

 

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