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Becoming Better People
Prov 17:10-14
10 A rebuke makes a greater impression on a discerning person than a hundred lashes on a fool.
11 An evil man seeks only rebellion, and so a cruel messenger will be sent against him.
12 Better to meet a bear robbed of her cubs than to deal with a fool in his folly.
13 Whoever rewards evil for good—evil will never leave his house.
14 The beginning of strife is like letting out water—so stop a quarrel before it breaks out.
Prov 17:10-14
10 A rebuke makes a greater impression on a discerning person than a hundred lashes on a fool.
A word rightly spoken at the right time to a discerning person will make a greater impression and change on them, than trying to beat the foolishness out of them. No amount of beating is going to cause a person who does not understand or is rebellious to change. I think this would apply quite well to our discipline of our children.
In a few previous verses it seems that Solomon says it's ok to "beat" your child in order to discipline him, which I totally do not agree with, at least not in the understanding I have of the word "beat". I think that Solomon, being the wisest of his time, was still a man and just because he said it, does not make it true or the godliest route to take.
Like the rest of humankind Solomon grew in wisdom, he was not foolish at one point then all of a sudden wise beyond measure in all things. There were times where he was increadibly wise, and other times, incredibly foolish. (See 2 Tim 3:16) Moses spoke for God, the Prophets spoke for God, the Apostles expounded on Torah and nothing they said went against Torah, Solomons writings are of his own thoughts on God and His ways. That's my opinion anyway
Here, Solomon says that it's pointless to try and beat rebellion out of someone. There is a better way. I don't think we should argue with a child, but I do think there is a way to reason and teach and discipline a disobedient child without driving them into further defiance and rebellion. I think parents, have to set the example by living it out in their own life plus, throw themselves on the mercy and understanding of the Father in Heaven for help and guidence in this area. One cannot give wise council to anyone else, if they themslves are walking in disobedience.
I think that applies to every situation where instruction is needed.
In a few previous verses it seems that Solomon says it's ok to "beat" your child in order to discipline him, which I totally do not agree with, at least not in the understanding I have of the word "beat". I think that Solomon, being the wisest of his time, was still a man and just because he said it, does not make it true or the godliest route to take.
Like the rest of humankind Solomon grew in wisdom, he was not foolish at one point then all of a sudden wise beyond measure in all things. There were times where he was increadibly wise, and other times, incredibly foolish. (See 2 Tim 3:16) Moses spoke for God, the Prophets spoke for God, the Apostles expounded on Torah and nothing they said went against Torah, Solomons writings are of his own thoughts on God and His ways. That's my opinion anyway
Here, Solomon says that it's pointless to try and beat rebellion out of someone. There is a better way. I don't think we should argue with a child, but I do think there is a way to reason and teach and discipline a disobedient child without driving them into further defiance and rebellion. I think parents, have to set the example by living it out in their own life plus, throw themselves on the mercy and understanding of the Father in Heaven for help and guidence in this area. One cannot give wise council to anyone else, if they themslves are walking in disobedience.
I think that applies to every situation where instruction is needed.
11 An evil man seeks only rebellion, and so a cruel messenger will be sent against him.
In the time of Solomon disobedience to the King...any form of disobedience was dealt with in a severe manner. Any subject who did not do what was expected of them from the king, was dealt with by the "cruel messenger", an officer of the king who took care of the matter.
I'm reminded of King David, when God had instructed him to NOT number the people but David did it anyway (2 Sam 24) When God confronted David about it, He gave David a choice of three punishments.
I'm reminded of King David, when God had instructed him to NOT number the people but David did it anyway (2 Sam 24) When God confronted David about it, He gave David a choice of three punishments.
"Of the three choices presented to David, the first two would have involved some level of dependency upon the mercy of man: the warfare, of course, would be as severe as the enemy wanted it to be; the famine would require Israel to seek food from other nations, relying on the pity of their neighbors. Instead of relying on the mercy of any human, David chose to rely on the mercy of God—the pestilence was, after all, the most direct form of punishment from God, and in the plague they could only look to God for relief". ~Got Questions~
Like us, David had his moments of rebellion and God dealt with it. God has His ways of dealing with each of us in our unrepentant rebellion. That's why it's always important to immediately confess our sin to God and do what is necessary to change our behavior...even if it takes a long time to change.
12 Better to meet a bear robbed of her cubs than to deal with a fool in his folly.
The folly of a "foolish" person brings more calamity to life than a mother bear who's had her cubs stolen from her. A foolish person brings jealousy, hatred, envy, violence, ambition, etc. and there is no end to the destruction that is created. At least with the bear once they have destroyed everything, it's over. With the human fool, it goes on and on and on.
"Let a bear robbed of her whelps meet a man,.... A bear is a very fierce and furious creature, especially a she bear; and she is still more so when robbed of her whelps, which she has just whelped, and been at great pains to lick into shape and form, by which her fondness to them is increased; and therefore, being stripped of them, is full of rage; and ranging about in quest of them, falls furiously upon the first she meets with. JeromF14 observes, that those who have written of the nature of beasts say, that, among all wild beasts, there is none more fierce than a she bear, when she has lost her whelps, or wants food. And yet, as terrible and as dangerous as it is, it is safer and more eligible of the two, to meet an enraged bear in those circumstances,
rather than a fool in his folly; in the height of his folly, in a paroxysm or fit of that; in the heat of his lusts, and the pursuit of them, in which there is no stopping him, or turning him from them; especially in the heat of passion and anger, which exceeds that of a bear, and is not so easily avoided. Jarchi applies it to such fools as seduce persons to idolatry, whom to meet is very dangerous: such are the followers of the man of sin, who have no mercy on the souls of men they deceive, and whose damnation they are the cause of; and who are implacably cruel to those who will not join with them in their idolatrous worship; the beast of Rome, his feet are as the feet of a bear, Revelation 13:2; and one had better meet a bear than him and his followers". ~John Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible~
rather than a fool in his folly; in the height of his folly, in a paroxysm or fit of that; in the heat of his lusts, and the pursuit of them, in which there is no stopping him, or turning him from them; especially in the heat of passion and anger, which exceeds that of a bear, and is not so easily avoided. Jarchi applies it to such fools as seduce persons to idolatry, whom to meet is very dangerous: such are the followers of the man of sin, who have no mercy on the souls of men they deceive, and whose damnation they are the cause of; and who are implacably cruel to those who will not join with them in their idolatrous worship; the beast of Rome, his feet are as the feet of a bear, Revelation 13:2; and one had better meet a bear than him and his followers". ~John Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible~
13 Whoever rewards evil for good—evil will never leave his house.
Paying evil for kindness gets it's own reward...his life will be filled, continually with evil. Ingratitude is a payment of evil for good. Being ungratful to people for helping you or doing good things for you is a dispicable response. Being angry at God for not doing things exactly as you wanted is ingratitude. Ingratitude will bring only bad your way. Be grateful.
14 The beginning of strife is like letting out water—so stop a quarrel before it breaks out.
As soon as the pinhole in a dam appears, it must be dealt with immediately. To ignore it will break the dam and homes and land, animals and people will be destroyed. When there is an issue among each other, deal with it immediately. Don't let it fester and grow to where it destroys the lives of all those around you. Also remember that we cannot force change upon others, but we can force change on ourselves. So even if we cannot change them and what they do, we can allow God to change us and what we do. There is that "self-discipline again".
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