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Rightness with God begins with faith in Him. The reconciled fellowship or union that results is the basis of righteousness for humankind-we were never meant to be alienated from Him-and injustice is the inevitable fruit of that separation which Adam initiated. But with that union a righteousness, apart form the law, which the law only testifies to, begins to blossom in man.Rom 3:19-20 "under the Law" is defined as "under the Law apart from faith" and so "all mankind condemned"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rom 3:31 "What then? do we make void the LAW of God by our faith? On the contrary we establish the LAW of God"
Rom 2:13-16 "it is not the hearers of the Law that are JUST before God - but the DOERS of the LAW will be JUSTIFIED... on the day when according to my Gospel God will judge all mankind through Christ"
Actually what you find there is the mere quote of the verses. Do you find it problematic to have the verses quoted?
If so it may indicate that you are taking some other statements of Paul to an extreme point of inference that will not fit with the mere quote of these texts.
Not true.
Rather Rom 2 is talking about the Gospel and the future day of judgment.
Rom 2:13-16 "it is not the hearers of the Law that are JUST before God - but the DOERS of the LAW will be JUSTIFIED... on the day when according to my Gospel God will judge all mankind through Christ"
So in Rom 2:13 -16 the context is "justification future" on that future day when according to the Gospel God will judge.
Rom 2:4-16 shows both the FAILING cases AND it also shows the succeeding cases. It can't be re-imagined to just have failing cases.
Matt 7 where we find the "rule of Christ" - is consistent with Rom 2:4-16 "by their fruits you shall know them.
James 2 has the same "justified by works and not by faith alone" context for justification.
By contrast in Rom 5:1-3 we have "justification past"... "having BEEN justified by faith we HAVE peace with God" - this is not a corporate judgment event form of justification. This is an individual event - in each person's life time a real event where they accept the Gospel and are justified. withat union, ghoweverm a righ
So it is important not to conflate these two distinct contexts for the term "justification" that we find in the Bible.
That is true for justification without the Gospel . Without faith in Christ. But in the context of "The Gospel" there is indeed the rule of Christ in Matt 7 which is the same as the Justification context in Rom 2:4-16 and also James 2.
Indeed that is the the "justifcation past" context as we find it in Rom 5:1-2 and it refers to the point at which one is born-again. The lost person that accepts the Gospel
True. That is the context of "a lost person" is that all have sinned, all are lost and all need the Gospel since no one can be justified without it.
But the Matt 7, and Rom 2 and James 2 context is for the born-again believer under the New Covenant and uses the rule of Christ in Matt 7 "by their fruits you shall know them"
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