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Thanks for the food for thought, and welcome to CF.Anyway, just some food for thought. Blessings to all of you in Christ.
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Thanks for the food for thought, and welcome to CF.Anyway, just some food for thought. Blessings to all of you in Christ.
I would say that those on the right going away into eternal life and those on the left going away into eternal punishment equates to save and unsaved. Although the words saved/unsaved were not used.Hi - Nice to have a response, but I'm not sure how it relates to my post. I believe as you do that there are no actual literal sheep and goats being judged in the resurrection.
The sheep and goats are being used as metaphors describing the separation of the "nations". The "nations", I believe, are representing the Kingdoms of the soul, namely "flesh and spirit", the spirit being on the right hand, and said to be blessed, and the flesh on the left hand, said to be cursed, as stated in v 34 and 41 respectively. Those (or simply "that", Greek definite article "τοις") on the right and left are not actually called "saved" or "unsaved" in the parable, but rather "blessed" and "cursed" Do you have any comments on this so far?
I guess St. Paul lied then. He said that Christ would save all:Universalism (pronounced yu-ni-VER-sul-iz-um) is a doctrine that teaches all people will be saved. Other names for this doctrine are universal restoration, universal reconciliation, universal restitution, and universal salvation.
The main argument for universalism is that a good and loving God would not condemn people to eternal torment in hell. Some universalists believe that after a certain cleansing period, God will free the inhabitants of hell and reconcile them to himself. Others say that after death, people will have another opportunity to choose God. For some who adhere to universalism, the doctrine also implies that there are many ways to get into heaven.
In the past several years, universalism has seen a resurgence. Many adherents prefer different names for it: inclusion, the greater faith, or the larger hope. Tentmaker calls it "The Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ."
Universalism applies passages like Acts 3:21 and Colossians 1:20 to mean that God intends to restore all things to their original state of purity through Jesus Christ (Romans 5:18; Hebrews 2:9), so that in the end everyone will be brought into a right relationship with God (1 Corinthians 15:24–28).
But such a view runs counter to the teaching of the Bible that "all who call upon the name of the Lord" will be united to Christ and eternally saved, not all people in general.
Jesus Christ taught that those who reject him as Savior will spend eternity in hell after they die:
Universalism Ignores God's Justice
Continued below.
Why Universalism Is Popular, But Fatally Flawed
Universalism is a centuries-old belief that all people will be saved because of God's unconditional love. Learn why the doctrine is fatally flawed.www.learnreligions.com
Universalism (pronounced yu-ni-VER-sul-iz-um) is a doctrine that teaches all people will be saved. Other names for this doctrine are universal restoration, universal reconciliation, universal restitution, and universal salvation.
The main argument for universalism is that a good and loving God would not condemn people to eternal torment in hell. Some universalists believe that after a certain cleansing period, God will free the inhabitants of hell and reconcile them to himself. Others say that after death, people will have another opportunity to choose God. For some who adhere to universalism, the doctrine also implies that there are many ways to get into heaven.
In the past several years, universalism has seen a resurgence. Many adherents prefer different names for it: inclusion, the greater faith, or the larger hope. Tentmaker calls it "The Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ."
Universalism applies passages like Acts 3:21 and Colossians 1:20 to mean that God intends to restore all things to their original state of purity through Jesus Christ (Romans 5:18; Hebrews 2:9), so that in the end everyone will be brought into a right relationship with God (1 Corinthians 15:24–28).
But such a view runs counter to the teaching of the Bible that "all who call upon the name of the Lord" will be united to Christ and eternally saved, not all people in general.
Jesus Christ taught that those who reject him as Savior will spend eternity in hell after they die:
Universalism Ignores God's Justice
Continued below.
Why Universalism Is Popular, But Fatally Flawed
Universalism is a centuries-old belief that all people will be saved because of God's unconditional love. Learn why the doctrine is fatally flawed.www.learnreligions.com
Of course we want all people to be saved! Who wouldn’t? What has my so-called knickers in a knot/bunch is you are pushing a dangerous false gospel. I do hope that helps you understand. We are to be the salt and light of the earth. I’m not going to hide it.Curious. Why does this get your knickers in such a knot? Don't tell me because your church teaches it. Tell me YOUR reasons why you don't like it, don't want all people saved, and find it hard to believe.
Of course we want all people to be saved! Who wouldn’t? What has my so-called knickers in a knot/bunch is you are pushing a dangerous false gospel. I do hope that helps you understand. We are to be the salt and light of the earth. I’m not going to hide it.
47 “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. 49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”
55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
Tentmakers? That’s all you got? Lol!Honest Questions and Answers about Hell
Is Hell real? Not according to the Bible! A study of the original languages of the Bible, the fullness of Scripture, and early church beliefs, will show that eternal hell was never a true biblical doctrine.www.tentmaker.org
Hi - Thank-you for the reply.I would say that those on the right going away into eternal life and those on the left going away into eternal punishment equates to save and unsaved. Although the words saved/unsaved were not used.