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You really think you could lead me away from God? You overestimate yourself.I am glad to hear you have no problem with Moses. I really don't want to lead you away from God, so forget I even said that.
I know what kind of people that are trying to lead others astray:You really think you could lead me away from God? You overestimate yourself.
Actually, these are the ones:I know what kind of people that are trying to lead others astray:
(New Testament | Matthew 5:17 - 19)
17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Well that is your opinion, however I believe in Christ and His words:Actually, these are the ones:
Matthew 24:4-11, 23-26
4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
23At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.
26“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
JS and the lds religion clearly fit these warnings.
The Gentiles are the "other sheep". Not just the lds. That would be a[nother] mis-application of Scripture by you and your church.Well that is your opinion, however I believe in Christ and His words:
(New Testament | John 10:16)
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
The Gentiles are the "other sheep". Not the lds. That would be a[nother] mis-application of Scripture by you and your church.
My post may not have been clear. I edited it to include "just". It is my understanding that the lds use "the other sheep" passage to mean the lds church only. Not the Gentiles (i.e., non-Jews) as a whole. Which, I believe, is why He Is The Way quoted it. It fits their "2 churches" theology - one is either in theirs or they are in the devil's church.Is it accurate to say that the LDS would be included in the Gentiles, even if they think themselves not? I mean, I don't know how many converts to Mormonism there are from Judaism (I would suspect not many), but only those would be non-Gentiles...
I dunno. It seems like a small point, but I think it's good to say that Jesus came even for those who choose to follow something/someone else, recalling the parable of the lost sheep and similar lessons.
Mormons, Muslims, Iglesia Ni Cristo people, and all such restorationists: Christ came for you, too, even if you disbelieve His words concerning His Church and His shepherding of it, in favor of misunderstandings and misapplications of the scriptures, or the invention of new ones that better fit your view (the BOM, the Qur'an, etc.)
Really where does it say that Jesus Christ spoke to the Gentiles?The Gentiles are the "other sheep". Not just the lds. That would be a[nother] mis-application of Scripture by you and your church.
My post may not have been clear. I edited it to include "just". It is my understanding that the lds use "the other sheep" passage to mean the lds church only. Not the Gentiles (i.e., non-Jews) as a whole. Which, I believe, is why He Is The Way quoted it. It fits their "2 churches" theology - one is either in theirs or they are in the devil's church.
Yes, Jesus came for all of God's children. The other sheep, in this case, were not the Gentiles, but the people who were in the Americas.Is it accurate to say that the LDS would be included in the Gentiles, even if they think themselves not? I mean, I don't know how many converts to Mormonism there are from Judaism (I would suspect not many), but only those would be non-Gentiles...
I dunno. It seems like a small point, but I think it's good to say that Jesus came even for those who choose to follow something/someone else, recalling the parable of the lost sheep and similar lessons.
Actually I do understand that Mormonism takes Biblical terms and give unique definitions to such terms\ phrases that distorts the correct Biblical Christian understanding. This is sometimes aka "Mormonese".You do not understand our words concerning the commandments.
Because of Jesus and his atoning sacrifice, our inability to keep the commandments 100% is taken care of by Jesus's grace. However, we do what we can to live the kind of life that Jesus lived, again knowing that he will take care of us by his mercy and grace.So we believe and have had the baptism of water and the Holy Spirit, and as a new person we try to live a good Christian life, having trust in Jesus that he was save us from our sins and give us eternal life.
I fail to see a tragic ending in outer darkness, that will house those that reject Jesus and his commandments and actively appose him and deny his atoning sacrifice. None of which do members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Yes, Jesus came for all of God's children. The other sheep, in this case, were not the Gentiles, but the people who were in the Americas.
Yes I have more evidence:No.
That's a hard no. I don't really even feel like anything needs to be added. This is your belief, but it is intimately tied to the story in the Book of Mormon, which no Christian communion or denomination accepts, so we reject it and what you say substantiates it. Since you have no other evidence of any kind, it is very easy to say no and leave it there.
Neither of which did Jesus speak to a Gentile.See Paul's conversion in Acts 9 and Peter's dream in Acts 10.
I didn't really think you would agree.That's not evidence. Just more mormon mis-application of scripture.
Yes I have more evidence:
(Old Testament | Ezekiel 37:16 - 23)
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 ¶ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 ¶ And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 29:11 - 14)
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13 ¶ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
Your Pharasitic legalism probably won't let you understand. Paul preached to the Gentiles through the guidance and power of the Holy Spirit, who is the same as Jesus: God. God's voice spoken through an apostle to the Gentiles. Same with Peter, God's voice in his dream to preach to the Gentiles.Neither of which did Jesus speak to a Gentile.
Your Pharasitic legalism probably won't let you understand. Paul preached to the Gentiles through the guidance and power of the Holy Spirit, who is the same as Jesus: God. God's voice spoken through an apostle to the Gentiles. Same with Peter, God's voice in his dream to preach to the Gentiles.
In John 10, Jesus is not literally a shepherd and we are not literally sheep. Yet we are his and hear and follow his voice, like a sheep follows their shepherd. It's a figure of speech. Jesus doesn't need to appear to each Gentile personally for that Gentile to hear his voice. In fact, the Bible warns us of such encounters until his 2nd coming. JS never took that advice and has led you astray.
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