Law of sin and death?

[visionary]

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

 

[visionary]

Here is an example of the law of faith..
Luke 5:17-20
[ Jesus cures a paralytic in soul and body ] One day while Jesus was teaching, some Pharisees and experts in the Law were sitting near him. They had come out of every village in Galilee and Judea as well as from Jerusalem. God’s power to heal people was with him. Soon some men arrived carrying a paralytic and they kept trying to carry him in to put him down in front of Jesus. When they failed to find a way of getting him in because of the dense crowd, they went up on to the top of the house and let him down, bed and all, through the tiles, into the middle of the crowd in front of Jesus. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “My friend, your sins are forgiven.”

Yeshua saw the law of faith in action and it was granted him the forgiveness of sins.

 

[Mercy74]

Amen,
I once heard in the spirit that haggadah compliments halachah.

I'm somewhat surprised the mishkan covering wasn't further discussed.
It seemed to me that there is something that points to a change of garments.

Sorry about not responding to your post.
Figured an exploratory thought would be helpful to the readers and hoped more posters would of joined in the fellowship.

Faith is the "substance" from things hoped for, the evidence from things not seen. Faith is not a weak theory, but faith is actual substance from things hoped for. Faith is the evidence of things unseen. A theory may have some evidence to support the theory but a theory is unproven. This is why a theory needs much trial and practice. However faith means you posses the substance of what you are hoping for plus the evidence of the things unseen. How many theories or practice involve things not seen?

 

[Mercy74]

Here is an example of the law of faith..
Luke 5:17-20
[ Jesus cures a paralytic in soul and body ] One day while Jesus was teaching, some Pharisees and experts in the Law were sitting near him. They had come out of every village in Galilee and Judea as well as from Jerusalem. God’s power to heal people was with him. Soon some men arrived carrying a paralytic and they kept trying to carry him in to put him down in front of Jesus. When they failed to find a way of getting him in because of the dense crowd, they went up on to the top of the house and let him down, bed and all, through the tiles, into the middle of the crowd in front of Jesus. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “My friend, your sins are forgiven.”

Amen, Yes indeed. The people had Yeshua in their presence, they possessed the substance of what the old prophets hoped for; the evidence the old prophets could only see in dreams and visions.

 

[visionary]

Faith is the "substance" from things hoped for, the evidence from things not seen. Faith is not a weak theory, but faith is actual substance from things hoped for. Faith is the evidence of things unseen. A theory may have some evidence to support the theory but a theory is unproven. This is why a theory needs much trial and practice. However faith means you posses the substance of what you are hoping for plus the evidence of the things unseen. How many theories or practice involve things not seen?

Faith sees beyond the obvious and sees the heart of God. When you see what God wants, and what God requires, then walk in it, miracles happen.

I remember a time when my girls were 2 and 4. My parents were 300 miles away. We were heading out to see "gramma and grandpa" when the car started blowing out black smoke through the tail pipes, the car moved slower and slower, with the gas gauge falling fast. The nearest town was still 15 miles away. It was Sunday and all I could do was hope and pray that there was a auto shop open with a mechanic in it. It was a miracle the car made it that far. The gas gauge was around empty now. I always start any major trip with oil changes, full tank and tire checks.

I drove into this small town where the sidewalks were all rolled up and tucked away for the weekend. Lo, and behold, there was a little old fashion gas station with auto mechanic bays. There was a light on. Just as I pulled up, a guy is leaving and locking up the building. I run up to him, telling him of my predicament. He gives me the bad news, I probably have blown the engine, gaskets, rings, and values. He would not be able to get to it til Monday.

So there I was looking back at my two little girls with faces peering out at me through the window. I quickly prayed for the Lord to answer my little girls wishes to see their grandparents. I went back to the car and turned to the children and asked if either of them would like to offer a prayer for the car to be fixed. My 2 year old said she would. She prayed the sweetest prayer while I was pleading with God to answer her prayer in my heart.

Then came the moment where I turned the key. The mechanic had been watching us because we were probably on his property and was wondering what we were going to do next. The motor turned over wonderfully. I drove the whole way, never filled the tank, with a car that ran like it was brand new. Thank you Lord for answering a little girl's prayer.

I arrived at my parents place and tell my dad, who is a bit of a mechanic, about my car troubles and what had happened. He went out to the car to start it up and see for himself. The car never turned over. I ended up staying at my parents, while the local mechanic put a new motor in. And that is faith in God answering my little girl's prayer. Babies always have angels who get first dibs on God's heart and attention.
Matthew 18:10
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[Tone]

Faith is the righteousness from G-d apart from the law of the Spirit of life.

I like this short video (audio); I think it speaks to this whole topic. @LoveofTruth

 

[ralliann]

The law of sin and death is found in the book Romans. Perhaps the law of sin and death pertains to the Roman rule over the Jews. Paul also appealed to Cesar.

Well we have this...….
De 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

 

[ralliann]

Jesus Taught Against the Law of Moses | Jewish Voice Ministries International

[ 'It is unfortunate that nearly two thousand years after He came, we have a Jesus who is nearly devoid of any Jewish identity and a Church that is almost completely severed from its Jewish roots. Although this was never God’s intention, it started very early in Church history. It began with a movement away from celebrating Shabbat (the Sabbath) and the other biblical Feasts and calling these observances heretical. And so today, we have a Jesus who is not recognizable to His own Jewish People as the Messiah of Israel.]

The division was foretold.....

Mt 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

Mt 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

Mr 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

Lu 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.

Joh 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

And came to pass very early on....

Ac 9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
Ac 22:4 And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.
Ac 26:11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.

1Th 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

 

[ralliann]

Israel broke the law, separating faith from the law. Faith is based on the law, faith must be practiced lawfully. Abraham was made righteous by his faith, not works from the law.

Paul speaks of
The law of faith and the law of works. Abraham was righteous by works of faith, not works of the law which was 430 after? But it does not seem as though the conversation in this thread discerns between the two. That makes it confusing IMO.

 

[pinacled]

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

This reminds of something like works of the law without faith.
Something similar to a person following the instructions in the Torah while leaning on their own understanding. Which in turn leads a person to pride/arrogance . As has been said," knowledge puffs up."
Likewise, " having knowledge yet denying the power of the Holy Spirit."[paraphrased].

For instance people who lack in the spirit of Understanding twist and stumble with ole sh'auls letters like unbelievers/atheist/agnostic insert label) do with Torah.

Hence the letter of the law(Torah kills them.

 

[pinacled]

The division was foretold.....

Mt 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

Mt 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

Mr 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

Lu 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.

Joh 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

And came to pass very early on....

Ac 9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
Ac 22:4 And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.
Ac 26:11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.

1Th 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

And a hidden treasure is found in ole sh'auls being both blind for 3 days and avoiding the yerushalayim and the first disciple for 3 yrs till he met with kefa(peter in the ___yr.

He has a way of way sharing his personal lessons in life that are indirect as far as I can see.
Why else use the word law so many times if there is no significance to Torah(law.

Just a thought.

Blessings Always

 

[ralliann]

And a hidden treasure is found in ole sh'auls being both blind for 3 days and avoiding the yerushalayim and the first disciple for 3 yrs till he met with kefa(peter in the ___yr.

He has a way of way sharing his personal lessons in life that are indirect as far as I can see.
Why else use the word law so many times if there is no significance to Torah(law.

Just a thought.

Blessings Always

Blessings as well to you.
Paul spoke of law in a fashion understood by his audience. Using terms such as "whole law" meaning all things written in the first five books of Moses. "Law of faith" being that which God spoke to individuals. In their time were only performed by particular individuals, and not to be repeated, as Noah building an ark, Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac. But that being said, Paul speaks of "hearing the law" concerning Abraham. Which law was 400 years before the law from Sinai was given. Mainly Paul agrees with the author of Hebrews IMO. The whole law is a record of the covenants God has made with men. It is these covenants which are fulfilled. The covenants are testaments (wills of inheritance). We which are heirs in Christ walk by faith according to hope.

 

[pinacled]

Blessings as well to you.
Paul spoke of law in a fashion understood by his audience. Using terms such as "whole law" meaning all things written in the first five books of Moses. "Law of faith" being that which God spoke to individuals. In their time were only performed by particular individuals, and not to be repeated, as Noah building an ark, Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac. But that being said, Paul speaks of "hearing the law" concerning Abraham. Which law was 400 years before the law from Sinai was given. Mainly Paul agrees with the author of Hebrews IMO. The whole law is a record of the covenants God has made with men. It is these covenants which are fulfilled. These covenants are testaments (wills of inheritance) which we which are heirs in Christ walk by faith in according to hope.

Generational ordinances.

The pharoah of a generation who had not been taught or possibly ignored his own father about yosef and who was quite arrogant as far as I can see. Then further perpetuated murderous schemes.

He, the one who sits for 6 days thought himself king over All and ignored every warning till the end of his second death. And took with him all that intended to commit the unforgivable sin of murder.

As Sodom and Egypt attempt to shed innocent blood the sea and mountain comes crushing down on all those who would attempt to trample what is Holy.

In faith the children of the Lord welcome the destined hope of the cloud by day and fire by night with the salt that destroys those who Hate the Lord.

What shadow of a promise have you found in Devarim(deuteronomy 11.

 

[ralliann]

Generational ordinances.

The pharoah of a generation who had not been taught or possibly ignored his own father about yosef and who was quite arrogant as far as I can see. Then further perpetuated murderous schemes.

He, the one who sits for 6 days thought himself king over All and ignored every warning till the end of his second death. And took with him all that intended to commit the unforgivable sin of murder.

As Sodom and Egypt attempt to shed innocent blood the sea and mountain comes crushing down on all those who would attempt to trample what is Holy.

In faith the children of the Lord welcome the destined hope of the cloud by day and fire by night with the salt that destroys those who Hate the Lord.

Joh 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
Joh 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

What shadow of a promise have you found in Devarim(deuteronomy 11.

Ge 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Ge 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

 

[ralliann]

Faith is the "substance" from things hoped for, the evidence from things not seen. Faith is not a weak theory, but faith is actual substance from things hoped for. Faith is the evidence of things unseen. A theory may have some evidence to support the theory but a theory is unproven. This is why a theory needs much trial and practice. However faith means you posses the substance of what you are hoping for plus the evidence of the things unseen. How many theories or practice involve things not seen?

Faith according to hope...
Hope is that which looks to that which we do not yet have. For if we have it, why yet hope for it?
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Ro 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Ro 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Acts 7:3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.
4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

Why? Because God calleth things that are not yet as though they are.


Ro 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

 

[pinacled]

Ears' Eyes' hands' feet'....

 

[pinacled]

Seriously?
What the?

How come no one has looked at the ram skins died red. An no one is humbly speaking of the other coverings?

Grrrr.

 

[pinacled]

Seriously?
What the?

How come no one has looked at the ram skins died red. An no one is humbly speaking of the other coverings?

Grrrr.

Far as I can tell there are only brittle swords here.

 

[pinacled]

And a hidden treasure is found in ole sh'auls being both blind for 3 days and avoiding the yerushalayim and the first disciple for 3 yrs till he met with kefa(peter in the ___yr.

He has a way of way sharing his personal lessons in life that are indirect as far as I can see.
Why else use the word law so many times if there is no significance to Torah(law.

Just a thought.

Blessings Always

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וַיְהִ֗י אַחַר֙ הַדְּבָרִ֣ים הָאֵ֔לֶּה וְהָ֣אֱלֹהִ֔ים נִסָּ֖ה אֶת־אַבְרָהָ֑ם וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֵלָ֔יו אַבְרָהָ֖ם וַיֹּ֥אמֶר הִנֵּֽנִי׃

Some time afterward, God put Abraham to the test. He said to him, “Abraham,” and he answered, “Here I am.”


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וַיֹּ֡אמֶר קַח־נָ֠א אֶת־בִּנְךָ֨ אֶת־יְחִֽידְךָ֤ אֲשֶׁר־אָהַ֙בְתָּ֙ אֶת־יִצְחָ֔ק וְלֶךְ־לְךָ֔ אֶל־אֶ֖רֶץ הַמֹּרִיָּ֑ה וְהַעֲלֵ֤הוּ שָׁם֙ לְעֹלָ֔ה עַ֚ל אַחַ֣ד הֶֽהָרִ֔ים אֲשֶׁ֖ר אֹמַ֥ר אֵלֶֽיךָ׃

And He said, “Take your son, your favored one, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the heights that I will point out to you.”


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וַיַּשְׁכֵּ֨ם אַבְרָהָ֜ם בַּבֹּ֗קֶר וַֽיַּחֲבֹשׁ֙ אֶת־חֲמֹר֔וֹ וַיִּקַּ֞ח אֶת־שְׁנֵ֤י נְעָרָיו֙ אִתּ֔וֹ וְאֵ֖ת יִצְחָ֣ק בְּנ֑וֹ וַיְבַקַּע֙ עֲצֵ֣י עֹלָ֔ה וַיָּ֣קָם וַיֵּ֔לֶךְ אֶל־הַמָּק֖וֹם אֲשֶׁר־אָֽמַר־ל֥וֹ הָאֱלֹהִֽים׃

So early next morning, Abraham saddled his ass and took with him two of his servants and his son Isaac. He split the wood for the burnt offering, and he set out for the place of which God had told him.


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בַּיּ֣וֹם הַשְּׁלִישִׁ֗י וַיִּשָּׂ֨א אַבְרָהָ֧ם אֶת־עֵינָ֛יו וַיַּ֥רְא אֶת־הַמָּק֖וֹם מֵרָחֹֽק׃

On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place from afar.



Lechem chumash.

 

[LoveofTruth]

It is true that the Law of Moses is not the Law of God. While they were introduced to the Israelis at Mount Sinai, they are two different things. There is one that is written, by God's own finger, in stone and to be written in the heart. There is one that was written by Moses, and placed on the side of the ark of the covenant. One is the Law itself, the other is the conditions, the statutes, the covenant, the judgments, etc. Together they are called Torah. One is eternal and the other is temporary and fades after Yeshua.

The law of Moses is referred to in 2 Cor 3 and this is also connected to the tables of stone in the Ten Commandments . Paul says it’s ministration is done away abolished, yes he does,

2 Corinthians 3:7,11-15 “But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:...11. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.12. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:13. And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:14. But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.15. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”