Lake Suigetsu, the Flood and Objects of Known Age

[Loudmouth]

There should be no spirits that mingled in the world of men.

I am talking about the empirical evidence, not your fantasies.

How should the ratios of isotopes in rocks be different if there really was a same state past?

How should the observations of distant stars be different if there was a same state past?

From everything I see, the observations exactly match what we should expect to see from a same state past. If you disagree, then tell us how it should be different in these two cases.

There should be no God who created all things. Good luck proving that.

That is your assertion. It is your job to prove that God created anything. Do you not understand how a burden of proof works?

I can't tell you what a non existant past would leave in the way of evidence!

Then how can you say that the evidence we find today is inconsistent with a same state past?

 

[dad]

No one needs to disprove it. You can believe whatever fool idea comes into your head. It's enough to observe that you cannot prove it.

You believe history and God's word are wrong? No one needs to disprove it. You can believe whatever fool idea comes into your head. It's enough to observe that you cannot prove it.

 

[dad]

I am talking about the empirical evidence, not your fantasies.

You have no possible evidence that is 'empirical' and reject the historical we do have! Denial.

How should the ratios of isotopes in rocks be different if there really was a same state past?

Better to look at how they ARE. Your fantasy state past is not the best or only belief to explain it.

How should the observations of distant stars be different if there was a same state past?

Better to look at how they ARE. Your fantasy state past is not the best or only belief to explain it.

From everything I see, the observations exactly match what we should expect to see from a same state past. If you disagree, then tell us how it should be different in these two cases.

I can say the same. You just see through your belief system.

That is your assertion. It is your job to prove that God created anything.

No. It is not. Creation yells at us. It is your job not to be deaf.

Do you not understand how a burden of proof works?

Any way God wants. Your proving ability is small, so do not try to handicap us with that!

Then how can you say that the evidence we find today is inconsistent with a same state past?

Easy. It is only consistent within your circular same state belief based system of observation. Stop coloring evidence.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

You believe history and God's word are wrong?

Your claim, feel free to try and prove it. Demonstrate that you have correctly identified the actual word of an existing god and have interpreted it correctly and that it indeed fits the objective evidence. Good luck

 

[dad]

Your claim, feel free to try and prove it.

Not my claim. Hordes of folks from years gone by did the history stuff. God did the bible stuff. What stuff do you offer? Doubting stuff. Whoopdedo.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Not my claim. Hordes of folks from years gone by did the history stuff. God did the bible stuff. What stuff do you offer? Doubting stuff. Whoopdedo.

Please demonstrate that you have correctly identified the word of an existing god, that you have correctly interpreted it and your interpretation fits with the objective physical evidence. Thanks. I'll wait.

 

[dad]

Please demonstrate that you have correctly identified the word of an existing god, that you have correctly interpreted it and your interpretation fits with the objective physical evidence. Thanks. I'll wait.

Define 'objective physical evidence' as applies to history? Especially history of things that include the spiritual!

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Define 'objective physical evidence' as applies to history? Especially history of things that include the spiritual!

Stop stalling. Demonstrate the existence of this spiritual as well while you're at it.

 

[dad]

Stop stalling. Demonstrate the existence of this spiritual as well while you're at it.

Maybe demo last week too? You need to be up to a certain level to be able to discuss stuff.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Maybe demo last week too? You need to be up to a certain level to be able to discuss stuff.

And you aren't there?

 

[Loudmouth]

You have no possible evidence that is 'empirical' and reject the historical we do have! Denial.

I have already supplied you with the empirical evidence.

Better to look at how they ARE. Your fantasy state past is not the best or only belief to explain it.

We are directly observing the past while your fishbowl remains a fantasy.

 

[dad]

I have already supplied you with the empirical evidence.

You have waved silly religion and shown you are kaput.

We are directly observing the past while your fishbowl remains a fantasy.

Only in your dreams. You were imposing beliefs on fossils and isotopes and whatever else you could find! Nothing more.

 

[dad]

And you aren't there?

I am able to discuss. Bring it.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

I am able to discuss. Bring it.

Cool. Please demonstrate that you have correctly identified the actual word of an existing god and interpreted it correctly and that this interpretation matches what is seen in the physical evidence.

 

[dad]

Cool. Please demonstrate that you have correctly identified the actual word of an existing god and interpreted it correctly and that this interpretation matches what is seen in the physical evidence.

No need. That is a done deal. For those not yet up to speed, we can look at the so called science facts you have that relate to the forces and laws on the ground, when the lake deposits were formed.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

No need. That is a done deal.

Translation. You can't. Well thanks for not trying. I guess your beliefs aren't supportable.

 

[dad]

Translation. You can't. Well thanks for not trying. I guess your beliefs aren't supportable.

My beliefs are not debatable. God was proven over and over long ago in His word and history. No more an issue than last week.

The issue here is the beliefs imposed by false science on things like varves. You cannot tell us by science what state it was at the time. That is a death knell for the position of science.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

My beliefs are not debatable.

Your inability to debate doesn't make your beliefs correct.

God was proven over and over long ago in His word and history.

Ok please demonstrate that that this is so. Demonstrate that you have correctly identified the actual word of an existing god and that you've interpreted it correctly and that your interpretation matches reality.

No more an issue than last week.

The issue here is the beliefs imposed by false science on things like varves. You cannot tell us by science what state it was at the time. That is a death knell for the position of science.

Given it's only your personal, so far unsupported, beliefs that is the basis of your "different past states" you must support them first before anyone needs to take you seriously.

 

[dad]

Your inability to debate doesn't make your beliefs correct.

The facts of history and scripture have nothing to do with your or my ability to debate.

Ok please demonstrate that that this is so. Demonstrate that you have correctly identified the actual word of an existing god and that you've interpreted it correctly and that your interpretation matches reality.

Jesus rose from the dead.


Now, is the wind so missing from your sails, that you cannot deal with the deposits or issues in the thread?

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

The facts of history and scripture have nothing to do with your or my ability to debate.


Jesus rose from the dead.

Prove it