Kylie's Pluto Challenge

[aachen_hexagon]

Go right ahead.

I'm missing it.

I told you EXACTLY what I think.

And please stop telling me what others thought and please tell me what you think.Wow.

I think the Bible says a lot of good stuff and a lot of scary horrible things. I think the Bible gives people permission to treat other people horribly. I think the Bible lends support to genocide and murder (1 Sam 15:3). And I also think the Bible teaches a lot about how to love thy neighbor and to take care of the poor.

FYI, I'm an Independent Fundamental Baptist.

But I suspect you are OK with eating lobster and pork and you probably mix your fibers or trim the corners of your beard once in a while. I suspect you aren't out trying to get the community to stone adulterers and I'm guessing you are suffering witches to live (assuming you believe in such things).

You are "friendly" fundamentalist. Most people who live in modern society are able to dine at the buffet of their religion and pass on the really bad stuff (and they even come up with amazingly beautiful exegeses that allow them to think they are somehow working around the worst parts of their holy books). It's usually when people take the words in the holy books literally that everyone has problems.

 

[HitchSlap]

Only because you've traded 20/20 vision for science.

You can't "look under the hood" like Bible believers can and see what we see.

Science is myopic.

You're an interesting fellow, AV.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Some simply believe that a child in the womb is not a child in the womb, but a fetus ...

The definition of a (human) fetus is an unborn human child (at least 8 weeks old).

Just sayin'.

 

[AV1611VET]

The definition of a (human) fetus is an unborn human child (at least 8 weeks old).

But is an unborn human child a fetus?

If so, why isn't it murder to remove this unborn human child?

 

[pgp_protector]

But is an unborn human child a fetus?

If so, why isn't it murder to remove this unborn human child?

Because it is Legal by definition.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because it is Legal by definition.

Ya.

Legalized murder.

We like to refer to it as a holocaust.

 

[pgp_protector]

Ya.

Legalized murder.

We like to refer to it as a holocaust.

No not Legalized murder, as that is Not the definition.

 

[HitchSlap]

Ya.

Legalized murder.

We like to refer to it as a holocaust.

No, we don't.

 

[HitchSlap]

Are you prepared to financially support all of these unwanted babies?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you prepared to financially support all of these unwanted babies?

No.

 

[HitchSlap]

No.

Just as I thought, your concern ends where your keyboard begins.

Soldier on AV.

 

[Radrook]

Speaking of fail, it took three men dying on the launch pad in a fire before the brainiacs at NASA built the hatches to open inward, instead of outward.

Kinda ironic that they later gave us the Super Soaker,™ isn't it?

What's the advantage of opening inwards?

 

[Subduction Zone]

What's the advantage of opening inwards?

Air pressure will help keep it shut and sealed in space. A hatch that opens outwards could open and let air out if it failed.

 

[Kylie]

Got nothing to say about my post 170, AV?

 

[AV1611VET]

What's the advantage of opening inwards?

When the fire broke out, they couldn't push open the hatch to get out because of the vacuum caused by the lack of air.

And even though the loss of air put the fire out, they died of smoke inhalation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Got nothing to say about my post 170, AV?

No.

That's a cheap shot against literalists that isn't worth addressing.

 

[Kylie]

No.

That's a cheap shot against literalists that isn't worth addressing.

Then let me boil it down to just one question...

Do you believe that EVERY PART of the Bible is intended to be interpreted literally?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you believe that EVERY PART of the Bible is intended to be interpreted literally?

Of course not.

I interpret the newspaper literally, but I don't believe every part is intended to be interpreted literally, which speaks of sunrise and sunset, moonlight, and so on.

Just as the Bible does.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Legalized murder.

That's an oxymoron. Murder is unlawful killing.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

When the fire broke out, they couldn't push open the hatch to get out because of the vacuum caused by the lack of air.

And even though the loss of air put the fire out, they died of smoke inhalation.

Wrong; they couldn't get out because the pressure inside was too high. The test was done with slightly higher than atmospheric pressure (+2 lbs/sq in) and the fire increased the pressure until the command module actually ruptured, blowing flames out into the White Room.

Spoiler: Apollo 204 Review Board Final Report

Once initiated, the fire burned in three stages. The first stage with its associated rapid temperature rise and increase in the cabin pressure, terminated approximately 15 seconds after the verbal report of fire. At this time (about 23:31:19 GMT) the pressure vessel, which constitutes the Command Module cabin, ruptured.

Evidence is strong that a wall of flames extended along the left wall of the module, preventing the Command Pilot, occupying the left hand couch from reaching the valve which would vent the Command Module to the outside atmosphere. Although operation of this valve, located on a shelf above the left hand equipment bay, is the first step in established emergency egress procedures, such action would have been to no avail because the venting capacity was insufficient to prevent the rapid build-up of pressure due to the fire. It is estimated that opening the valve would have delayed Command Module rupture by less than one second.

With a slightly higher pressure inside the Command Module than outside, opening the inner hatch is impossible because of the resulting force on the hatch. Thus the inability of the pressure relief system to cope with pressure increase due to the fire made opening of the inner hatch impossible until after cabin rupture, and after rupture the intense and widespread fire together with rapidly increasing carbon monoxide concentrations further prevented egress.

The crew died from toxic gas asphyxiation and thermal burns.

There were actually three hatches to open, an inner pressure hatch, the CM outer hatch, and a launch shroud hatch (to be jettisoned after launch), and the White Room was full of dense, choking smoke, which is why it took around 5 minutes to gain access to the CM interior to attempt rescue.