Knowing the "heart" (and mind maybe) of God...?

[Neogaia777]

In the Old Testament claims were made by the victors that their success and behavior was sanctioned by God when it was just human behavior rationalized from a religio-human perspective. In that age they saw God in everything. The vantage point of the authors of scripture was long after the events they wrote about and relative to their own people.

So you believe... the rest of us do not however...

God Bless!

 

[Colter]

You know what the un-Godlike thing(s) are huh...? By who's evaluation and opinion...? Yours and your own...? Why, cause you are making God in your own image and likeness maybe...?

And just what the heck do you mean by God not knowing the unknowable...?

You talking about God the Father, or God the Son...?

God Bless!

God cannot make square circles or evil that is inherently good.

“A personality trait cannot at the same time be Godlike and ungodlike. Compossibility is innate in divine power. And all of this is derived from the fact that omnipotence not only creates things with a nature but also gives origin to the nature of all things and beings.”

God is a personality reality, he has a nature, he cannot he all natures. Free will cannot be predestined will.

 

[razzelflabben]

In the Old Testament claims were made by the victors that their success and behavior was sanctioned by God when it was just human behavior rationalized from a religio-human perspective. In that age they saw God in everything. The vantage point of the authors of scripture was long after the events they wrote about and relative to their own people.

some of the OT things you refer to show God's perspective through the prophets...

 

[Neogaia777]

God cannot make square circles or evil that is inherently good.

“A personality trait cannot at the same time be Godlike and ungodlike. Compossibility is innate in divine power. And all of this is derived from the fact that omnipotence not only creates things with a nature but also gives origin to the nature of all things and beings.”

God is a personality reality, he has a nature, he cannot he all natures. Free will cannot be predestined will.

You know what the un-Godlike thing(s) are huh...? By who's evaluation and opinion...? Yours and your own...? Why, cause you are making God in your own image and likeness maybe...?

And just what the heck do you mean by God not knowing the unknowable...?

You talking about God the Father, or God the Son...?

God the Son, as YHWH in the OT, the only thing he lacked was 100% full omniscience, and a knowledge or knowing of any sin or evil... that he did not know any of, or anything about (that) until it was exposed to him by man...

And he was greatly repulsed by it and had many feelings about it and over it, and did not know it fully till he came to us as a man... Then he began to begin to understand all that the Father was trying to show him...

God Bless!

 

[Colter]

So you believe... the rest of us do not however...

God Bless!

Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t mean it isn’t true. In fact it bothers you because there is truth in what I’m saying but faceing the consequence of that truth is too painful to your settled beliefs. The Jews were confronted with that very sane dilemma when Jesus presented the true God to them. So they hid behind the inspiration theory of the scriptures that they themselves wrote in order to block the truth of the Liveing God unto their hearts.

Jesus was killed by the priestly elite, the common people herd him gladly.

 

[razzelflabben]

God cannot make square circles or evil that is inherently good.

“A personality trait cannot at the same time be Godlike and ungodlike. Compossibility is innate in divine power. And all of this is derived from the fact that omnipotence not only creates things with a nature but also gives origin to the nature of all things and beings.”

God is a personality reality, he has a nature, he cannot he all natures. Free will cannot be predestined will.

I would argue that your post is coming from the human perspective and not the Godly one. There is a question that has been asked, "Can God create a rock so big that He cannot lift it?" My children decided one day that the answer was much simpler than we presume. In their minds, God could create a rock so big that He (Christ) could not lift it then He (the Father) would lift it. Perspective. God is far less either/or than we would like to presume and much more both/and than we like to assume.

 

[Neogaia777]

God cannot make square circles or evil that is inherently good.

God the Father can, and did, and does in the end...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t mean it isn’t true. In fact it bothers you because there is truth in what I’m saying but faceing the consequence of that truth is too painful to your settled beliefs. The Jews were confronted with that very sane dilemma when Jesus presented the true God to them. So they hid behind the inspiration theory of the scriptures that they themselves wrote in order to block the truth of the Liveing God unto their hearts.

Jesus was killed by the priestly elite, the common people herd him gladly.

Your funny man...

God Bless!

 

[Colter]

You know what the un-Godlike thing(s) are huh...? By who's evaluation and opinion...? Yours and your own...? Why, cause you are making God in your own image and likeness maybe...?

And just what the heck do you mean by God not knowing the unknowable...?

You talking about God the Father, or God the Son...?

God the Son, as YHWH in the OT, the only thing he lacked was 100% full omniscience, and a knowledge or knowing of any sin or evil, that he did not know any of, or anything about (that) until it was exposed to him by man...

And he was greatly repulsed and had many feelings about it and over it, and did not know it fully till he came to us as a man... Then he began to begin to understand all that the Father was trying to show him...

God Bless!

Does God have a nature or is he every conceivable nature? Is God good and evil? Can God make a square circle?

 

[Neogaia777]

Does God have a nature or is he every conceivable nature? Is God good and evil? Can God make a square circle?

You are making the (common) mistake of not knowing the difference between God the Father, and God the Son, our God...

God Bless!

 

[Colter]

some of the OT things you refer to show God's perspective through the prophets...

The holy men often rejected the prophets in their age, later generations adopted the prophets and included them in the redacted versions of the scripture. Jesus pointed this out in the “woes” because they were getting ready to do it again, only it was for the last time. The Israelites house was left desolate, they were un-chosen.

 

[Colter]

You are making the (common) mistake of not knowing the difference between God the Father, and God the Son, our God...

God Bless!

You didn’t answer the questions.

And the Son revealed the Father, he didn’t act like the ISIS like God portrayed in some places in the Israelites writings.

 

[razzelflabben]

Does God have a nature or is he every conceivable nature? Is God good and evil? Can God make a square circle?

Scripture tells us two very important things about God's nature that pretty much sums it all up if we truly have any concept of what it means. 1. God is Holy...in fact, His Holy nature is why we needed a Savior in the first place. and 2. God is LOVE...by this we mean the Biblical agape Love not the worldly version of a feel good experience.

 

[Neogaia777]

later generations adopted the prophets and included them in the redacted versions of the scripture.

Got any "proof" of this maybe...? Or are they just your theories and ideas...?

God Bless!

 

[razzelflabben]

The holy men often rejected the prophets in their age, later generations adopted the prophets and included them in the redacted versions of the scripture. Jesus pointed this out in the “woes” because they were getting ready to do it again, only it was for the last time. The Israelites house was left desolate, they were un-chosen.

and yet God told the people how to know who was and was not a prophet that was sent from God...do you know how to tell? In fact, there is a whole list of ways to know but a couple of very specific one's stand out and honestly, one of the powers of Love is to prevent us from being deceived by false prophets and teachers.

 

[Neogaia777]

You didn’t answer the questions.

And the Son revealed the Father, he didn’t act like the ISIS like God portrayed in some places in the Israelites writings.

The "totality" of the entire, complete story of God the Son, is a truth, and is something I just don't think you can "handle", or just find "to hard to accept"...

So as to put God into "your little box" and make him fit in with your theories, or make God conform to "your image and likeness of him", instead of just accepting the truth of "all of scripture", and the entire totality of the "entire, complete story" of God the Son...

Who shows us the heart, and feelings of the Father...

God Bless!

 

[JoeP222w]

Knowing the "heart" (and mind maybe) of God...?

Is this possible...? And if so, what is it (God's heart) like...? According to all the information we have on him (God) or this (his heart), in all the scriptures...?

This came up because of these posts in this thread:

Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient...?

Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient...?

What do you think...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Exhaustively know the heart and mind of God? No. We are finite creatures. He is the infinite God. We have no ability to exhaustively know God.

However, we can know the heart and mind of God by what He has revealed to us through general revelation (creation), and through special revelation (through the scriptures).

Deuteronomy 29:29 “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I do, John 3:16 ❤️

“For God so loved the world.....”

If we have a look at this very line of scripture, the part that says “so”, which is a exaggeration of Gods unfailing and unconditional Love that He has for us (world). That scripture could have just been written like so, for example; “God loved the world....”, however, when I read John 3:16, the opening line tells me HOW much he Loves us.

The scripture continues on with one of the most significant scriptures of fact, “He GAVE His begotten Son......” that’s self-explainatory, God GAVE us (the world) His one and only Son Jesus, to DIE... is that not real love, my friend? Can you sacrifice your child for a stranger? So that they may be pardoned of their sins? (Rhetoric questions lol).

Real Love for me is John 3:16, the pure love that God has for us.

Wonderful verse!

One can maybe read it emphasizing each word in turn: and there you have plenty of separate sermons!

 

[Colter]

Got any "proof" of this maybe...? Or are they just your theories and ideas...?

God Bless!

Sure, I will just quote Jesus who summed it all up:


"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.”

 

[Neogaia777]

You know what the un-Godlike thing(s) are huh...? By who's evaluation and opinion...? Yours and your own...? Why, cause you are making God in your own image and likeness maybe...?

And just what the heck do you mean by God not knowing the unknowable...?

You talking about God the Father, or God the Son...?

God the Son, as YHWH in the OT, the only thing he lacked was 100% full omniscience, and a knowledge or knowing of any sin or evil... that he did not know any of, or anything about (that) until it was exposed to him by man...

And he was greatly repulsed by it and had many feelings about it and over it, and did not know it fully till he came to us as a man... Then he began to begin to understand all that the Father was trying to show him...

God Bless!

The "totality" of the entire, complete story of God the Son, is a truth, and is something I just don't think you can "handle", or just find "to hard to accept"...

So as to put God into "your little box" and make him fit in with your theories, or make God conform to "your image and likeness of him", instead of just accepting the truth of "all of scripture", and the entire totality of the "entire, complete story" of God the Son...

Who shows us the heart, and feelings of the Father...

God Bless!

He (God, the Son) who knew no, (or knew not) any sin (as our God/YHWH in the OT) (and could therefore, not be charged with any sin) (for he knew it not and did not fully know what he was doing) (but, we full well did and are guilty as heck)...

Anyway, He (God the Son/YHWH) who knew no sin (till he was exposed to it by man) (and was repulsed by it) (and gradually started to come to know it at that time, through/by us) Anyway, became sin (fully, or a full knowledge of sin) (when he came to us as man) Anyway, became (as a) sinful man (or more appropriately speaking, our sins were laid upon him, and he was charged with sin, due to our sin) Anyway, became sin (the curse) (or bore the curse of sin, or took the blame for our sin) for us, in order that (we all maybe), (if the Father so sees fit) might all be saved (or so God the Son hoped/hopes)...

God Bless!