Knowing the "heart" (and mind maybe) of God...?

[Neogaia777]

His heart is the heart of a "savior" or someone who tries and works very hard to save everyone if he can (also a deliverer, a rescuer, a way maker)... But also experiences emotions, and feelings geared around failure and defeat and frustration with that also...

Maybe we can start there...?

God Bless!

And also, sorrows, pains, and regrets, or whatever else geared around this (above) as well...

And if you know a thing or two about this, you can "relate" personally...

And perhaps by that, begin to know a few things about him (God) and his heart...

God Bless!

 

[Erik Nelson]

The scriptures always have and always will reflect the beliefs of the authors in the age in which they are written. The scriptures are finite men writing about the infinite God. That being the case man tends to create God in his own image. The OT scriptures are very conflicted and biased towards the culture that wrote them.

The closest representation in the scriptures of God is Jesus, to the extent that his words were accurately remembered. The presentation of God in the scriptures actually improve from beginning up until the Book of Revelation.

That's an assumption. Religious people might claim that God so influenced. The original authors as well as their surrounding cultural context to such an extent that they accurately reflected divinity. Such a claim, perhaps scientifically unprovable, would still be logically self consistent.

 

[Neogaia777]

And also, sorrows, pains, and regrets, or whatever else geared around this (above) as well...

Like trying to save someone, or people, or a people who are drowning in the ocean and they struggle and fight against you and wants to drown, and they try to take you down in the process and want you to drown, and continually try their best to drown you also...

But you insist and won't give up on trying to save them, even if they do not want to be saved and they insist on drowning and the minute you get them to shore, run back into the ocean again and purposely try to drown themselves or kill themselves all over again, and want to drown, and won't ever stop this behavior or this pattern of behavior either...

What are you to do...? How would you feel, or start or begin to feel, after the hundredth, or thousandth time, or an infinite number of times...?

God Bless!

 

[Mel2020]

Let's focus on his heart first, and then we will only then know if knowing his mind is possible or not, K...?

God Bless!

Your OP originally had “Knowing the heart and mind of God” , then you changed it 10 minutes ago lol.

Isaiah 40:28 is your answer to the “mind” part

 

[Mel2020]

Maybe everyone could agree. That the divine has revealed some aspects of divine will and divine intent. Yet humans can never grasp the whole entire totality of divine intelligence?. We know some things because we were told, but not all things, namely those we weren't told.

Yes, and Jesus told the Disciples that a advocate would come, The Holy Spirit, who reveals all things to us.

I like how you worded that “grasp” line. That’s true and that we can’t fully grasp the mind of God and how He works.

 

[Neogaia777]

Your OP originally had “Knowing the heart and mind of God” , then you changed it 10 minutes ago lol.

Isaiah 40:28 is your answer to the “mind” part

Yeah I put "and mind" in parenthesis cause I thought people would get what I meant by putting it in parenthesis, but apparently not, so changed it from "and mind" to "and mind maybe" is all...

Cause I mainly want to concentrate of the heart of God, and I thought people would understand that, but apparently not, so... I changed it... (just a minor change)...

God Bless!

 

[Mel2020]

Yeah I put "and mind" in parenthesis cause I thought people would get what I meant by putting it in parenthesis, but apparently not, so changed it from "and mind" to "and mind maybe" is all...

Cause I mainly want to concentrate of the heart of God, and I thought people would understand that, but apparently not, so... I changed it... (just a minor change)...

God Bless!

Then you should have just wrote the “Heart of God”

 

[Neogaia777]

Then you should have just wrote the “Heart of God”

I know... but I was just trying to stay in line with scripture that talks about having the mind of Christ (God) also...

Just in case...

And I believe that the heart can lead to the mind also...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

His heart is the heart of a "savior" or someone who tries and works very hard to save everyone if he can (also a deliverer, a rescuer, a way maker)... But also experiences emotions, and feelings geared around failure and defeat and frustration with that also...

Maybe we can start there...?

And also, sorrows, pains, and regrets, or whatever else geared around this (above) as well...

Like trying to save someone, or people, or a people who are drowning in the ocean and they struggle and fight against you and wants to drown, and they try to take you down in the process and want you to drown, and continually try their best to drown you also...

But you insist and won't give up on trying to save them, even if they do not want to be saved and they insist on drowning and the minute you get them to shore, run back into the ocean again and purposely try to drown themselves or kill themselves all over again, and want to drown, and won't ever stop this behavior or this pattern of behavior either...

What are you to do...? How would you feel, or start or begin to feel, after the hundredth, or thousandth time, or an infinite number of times...?

And if you know a thing or two about this, you can "relate" personally...

And perhaps by that, begin to know a few things about him (God) and his heart...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

His heart is the heart of a "savior" or someone who tries and works very hard to save everyone if he can (also a deliverer, a rescuer, a way maker)... But also experiences emotions, and feelings geared around failure and defeat and frustration with that also...

Maybe we can start there...?

And also, sorrows, pains, and regrets, or whatever else geared around this (above) as well...

Like trying to save someone, or people, or a people who are drowning in the ocean and they struggle and fight against you and wants to drown, and they try to take you down in the process and want you to drown, and continually try their best to drown you also...

But you insist and won't give up on trying to save them, even if they do not want to be saved and they insist on drowning and the minute you get them to shore, run back into the ocean again and purposely try to drown themselves or kill themselves all over again, and want to drown, and won't ever stop this behavior or this pattern of behavior either...

What are you to do...? How would you feel, or start or begin to feel, after the hundredth, or thousandth time, or an infinite number of times...?

And if you know a thing or two about this, you can "relate" personally...

And perhaps by that, begin to know a few things about him (God) and his heart...

God Bless!

And didn't trust you and didn't believe you (that you can or could save them) (even though you showed them very clearly you could multiple, and many, many times) and had no faith in you, or that... And/or didn't realize how very much you loved them, or what you were trying to do for them (save them, rescue them, and deliver them, basically) and kept running back in that ocean to drown, regardless, and all the emotions and feelings that come with that for a "savior" being who loves greatly and very much...

God Bless!

 

[razzelflabben]

I think too many people try to make God much more complicated than He really is...now don't take that the wrong way, of course God is more than our mortal bodies can contain or understand, however, we know His heart and it is Love. We know His thoughts and they are Love. We know His purpose and it is Love. We know His plans and they are Love. We know His nature is Love. What we do NOT know is what real Love is.

 

[Andrew Jeremiah]

Knowing the "heart" (and mind maybe) of God...?

Is this possible...? And if so, what is it (God's heart) like...? According to all the information we have on him (God) or this (his heart), in all the scriptures...?

This came up because of these posts in this thread:

Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient...?

Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient...?

What do you think...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Pay attention. I'm going to give you some boulders of truth. (we don't do nuggets here. In Texas everything is huge!)

1 Corinthians 2:16 (KJV)
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

The Mind of Christ, or the Spirit, or of God is Scripture.

In it the Mind, thoughts, words, etc., of God are revealed for His people so that they may KNOW the God of Israel.

In it (Scripture) God tells us what He thinks of sin, of love, of man, of children and raising them, of marriage, of heaven, earth, and the space between, of everything that we will on this planet have to do:

Hebrews 4:12-13 (KJV)
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

So, once the word imparted into you through His Spirit, a good translation (KJV), and much study, then you will in a sense have the Mind of Christ (in you).

But not before.

Without the Holy Spirit those words in the KJV are dead.

So, study, study, study. After a couple decades you should be able to tell me what God thinks about Election, Predestination, and all those goodies just as tho' Jesus Himself were here.

 

[Mel2020]

What we do NOT know is what real Love is.

I do, John 3:16 ❤️

“For God so loved the world.....”

If we have a look at this very line of scripture, the part that says “so”, which is a exaggeration of Gods unfailing and unconditional Love that He has for us (world). That scripture could have just been written like so, for example; “God loved the world....”, however, when I read John 3:16, the opening line tells me HOW much he Loves us.

The scripture continues on with one of the most significant scriptures of fact, “He GAVE His begotten Son......” that’s self-explainatory, God GAVE us (the world) His one and only Son Jesus, to DIE... is that not real love, my friend? Can you sacrifice your child for a stranger? So that they may be pardoned of their sins? (Rhetoric questions lol).

Real Love for me is John 3:16, the pure love that God has for us.

 

[Neogaia777]

I think too many people try to make God much more complicated than He really is...now don't take that the wrong way, of course God is more than our mortal bodies can contain or understand, however, we know His heart and it is Love. We know His thoughts and they are Love. We know His purpose and it is Love. We know His plans and they are Love. We know His nature is Love. What we do NOT know is what real Love is.

The problem is many of us don't know love, not really... and people of the world (especially) cannot even seem to separate love and lust (and/or mere "romanticism")... And know the clear distinction(s) between them...

And even of those people that can or do, still spend a lifetime trying to figure it out (love)...

Love is very, very deep, and is so very much "more" than it seems to be on the surface...

This thread might help: "God is Love" One of the very deepest, most profound statements about God ever made...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I do, John 3:16 ❤️

“For God so loved the world.....”

If we have a look at this very line of scripture, the part that says “so”, which is a exaggeration of Gods unfailing and unconditional Love that He has for us (world). That scripture could have just been written like so, for example; “God loved the world....”, however, when I read John 3:16, the opening line tells me HOW much he Loves us.

The scripture continues on with one of the most significant scriptures of fact, “He GAVE His begotten Son......” that’s self-explainatory, God GAVE us (the world) His one and only Son Jesus, to DIE... is that not real love, my friend? Can you sacrifice your child for a stranger? So that they may be pardoned of their sins? (Rhetoric questions lol).

Real Love for me is John 3:16, the pure love that God has for us.

What does that tell us about his (God's) heart...?

God Bless!

 

[razzelflabben]

I do, John 3:16 ❤️

“For God so loved the world.....”

If we have a look at this very line of scripture, the part that says “so”, which is a exaggeration of Gods unfailing and unconditional Love that He has for us (world). That scripture could have just been written like so, for example; “God loved the world....”, however, when I read John 3:16, the opening line tells me HOW much he Loves us.

The scripture continues on with one of the most significant scriptures of fact, “He GAVE His begotten Son......” that’s self-explainatory, God GAVE us (the world) His one and only Son Jesus, to DIE... is that not real love, my friend? Can you sacrifice your child for a stranger? So that they may be pardoned of their sins? (Rhetoric questions lol).

Real Love for me is John 3:16, the pure love that God has for us.

amen, but my point is that Love itself is so big a topic (God's biblical Love not man's worldly love) that we cannot fully understand it.

For example, how does God's Biblical Love differ from the worlds idea of what love is?

 

[razzelflabben]

The problem is many of us don't know love, not really... and people of the world (especially) cannot even seem to separate love and lust (and/or mere "romanticism")... And know the clear distinction(s) between them...

And even of those people that can or do, still spend a lifetime trying to figure it out (love)...

Love is very, very deep, and is so very much "more" than it seems to be on the surface...

This thread might help: "God is Love" One of the very deepest, most profound statements about God ever made...

God Bless!

amen...about 12 or so years ago God called me to study Biblical Love full time. At the time I "knew" it was a bigger topic then I could imagine since scripture tells us that but I had no really understanding of how huge it really is of a topic 12 + years of full time study later and still going strong.

So how about a test....if we can know the heart and mind of God and the heart and mind of God is Love agape type Love....how would you define that Love...not characteristics as put forth in I Cor. 13 or an example like we see in John 3:16, but an actual definition and how that definition is contrary to the worlds idea of love.

 

[razzelflabben]

Just to be clear, I am opening the definition challenge to everyone here.

 

[Neogaia777]

Just to be clear, I am opening the definition challenge to everyone here.

Well, I feel like I do know that God's love is not "romanticism", or mere romanticism, like the world seems to think...

I think many people, and especially many women, are greatly deceived by this...

Many people who see love this way, and especially believe love to only be this, or only this (way), can be much hell to live with, and be with, and they can be much hell on each other as well... Involves a lot of pain...

God Bless!

 

[Colter]

That's an assumption. Religious people might claim that God so influenced. The original authors as well as their surrounding cultural context to such an extent that they accurately reflected divinity. Such a claim, perhaps scientifically unprovable, would still be logically self consistent.

I do assume that directing soldiers to kill men, women and children while keeping the little virgin girls for yourselves is human and not divine. In fact there are a number of atrocities in the scriptures that believers must ignore while proclaiming the consistency of a loving God. One of the reasons the elite religious men of Judaism bitterly hated Jesus was his presentation of the true loving God.

The Old Testament favors the Israelites because they wrote it.