Kerry Promotes Expanded Stem Cell Research

[allenray]

I don't believe that we should destroy lives so we can save lives. Vote Bush!

 

[Nathan Poe]

I don't believe that we should destroy lives so we can save lives. Vote Bush!

Um.... Iraq war, anyone?

 

[Ave Maria]

Um.... Iraq war, anyone?

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[Wade in the Water]

They need stem cell research. The people that oppose it, know little about the subject and it's a pity that politicians are making decisions about science without having any background knowledge. I guarantee that none of them know that cloning is occurring in laboratories across America everyday. That little piece of knowledge shows how uninformed our public and public officials are.

 

[Wade in the Water]

I did a little back tracking in this thread, adult stem cells are not the same and do not give the same results as embryonic stem cells. Adult stem cells will not work in all cell types, while embryonic stem cells can take on the characteristic of any cell type.

Plus, there are still many questions abotu adult stem cells, like the ability to become cancrous is still unknown, while in embryonic cells, this is not the case, plus embryonic stem cells are easy to obtain, grow, and purify. I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture, other stem cells are nothing like embryonic stem cells.

 

[Sanguine]

cool
im am for adult stem cell research. which, like i said, ive heard is just as good

You've been lied to. They're much more limited in their scope and difficult to culture effectively (i.e. sufficiently).

I don't believe that we should destroy lives so we can save lives. Vote Bush!

delicious

 

[Kelly]

Um.... Iraq war, anyone?

The total losses (both sides) are a drop in the bucket compared to the losses of the unborn we get through abortion and WOULD GET through emb. stem cell research. Union of sperm and egg = life.

 

[kermit]

The total losses (both sides) are a drop in the bucket compared to the losses of the unborn we get through abortion and WOULD GET through emb. stem cell research. Union of sperm and egg = life.

Why are you still holding to the falsehood that embyonic stem cells come from abortions?

 

[Kelly]

Why are you still holding to the falsehood that embyonic stem cells come from abortions?

that's not what I am saying at all. I'm saying that both activities kill unborn

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

The total losses (both sides) are a drop in the bucket compared to the losses of the unborn we get through abortion and WOULD GET through emb. stem cell research. Union of sperm and egg = life.

So, the lives of the people lost in Iraq are not as valid as the lives lost by abortion just because there are less deaths? Could you please explain the logic behind that?

 

[Kelly]

So, the lives of the people lost in Iraq are not as valid as the lives lost by abortion just because there are less deaths? Could you please explain the logic behind that?

Nice try... Let's say you have a cut on your left arm, it's bleeding pretty badly (Iraq), but your right arm has just been severed, and it's gushing blood. Chances are, you'd stop the bleeding on your severed arm because of the increased loss of blood, right? If you look at loss of life as just loss of life, there are more people dying from abortion than the war, a million more.

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

Nice try... Let's say you have a cut on your left arm, it's bleeding pretty badly (Iraq), but your right arm has just been severed, and it's gushing blood. Chances are, you'd stop the bleeding on your severed arm because of the increased loss of blood, right? If you look at loss of life as just loss of life, there are more people dying from abortion than the war, a million more.

That's a pretty poor analogy. The life of every single person who died in Iraq is just as precious as every aborted fetus.

 

[Wade in the Water]

Stem cell research will use embryos that are going to be discarded, they're not even viable. They're not implanted, they can't become anything, thus there is no potential for life. They are undifferentiated and the fact that you can make them into any part of the body shows they are not "people." You need to give them an enviornment (uterus) and other factors (hormones) to even be considered comparable to a person.

Harvest away, that's what I say!

 

[kermit]

that's not what I am saying at all. I'm saying that both activities kill unborn

IVF has literally disposed of left-over embyos for years. Now someone sees a scienific use for them. At the same time the pro-lifers object. Where were they for all those years when these embyos were "killed"?

I don't feel that these embryos were killed. I don't think they were ever really alive. They were not emplanted in a uterus so they never had the opportunity to develop.

 

[Wade in the Water]

IVF has literally disposed of left-over embyos for years. Now someone sees a scienific use for them. At the same time the pro-lifers object. Where were they for all those years when these embyos were "killed"?

I don't feel that these embryos were killed. I don't think they were ever really alive. They were not emplanted in a uterus so they never had the opportunity to develop.

They're just hypocrites, religious fanatics, in my opinion, are just making noise to make noise. They only want to make this an issue because they were told to make it an issue. Of course, with the decades of in vitro fertilization they were completely silent, as soon as science wants to make progress, there is a sudden outcry. Religious people have always been in the way of scientific progress and historically will always be seen as wrong. Unless they start campaigning against in vitro fertilization, contraceptives, and the death penalty, they shouldn't talk; of course the ultra-conservative Catholic view seems to be the only people that have a valid ideology. I have respect for them because at least they're consistent.

It's kind of like my respect for true conservatives and not the many blind followers that have abandoned all their core values just because George W. Bush is the president. He embodies none of the conservative ideas, but they only follow him because he made a negative sentence with gay or abortion in it. To me, they have no core convictions, just followers of ideological leaders.

 

[Nathan Poe]

So, the lives of the people lost in Iraq are not as valid as the lives lost by abortion just because there are less deaths? Could you please explain the logic behind that?

Apparantly life only becomes sacred when it hits a certain number...

 

[KenH]

www.stemcellresearch.org

 

[theseed]

Sounds like a good idea. Who knows how many diseases we could cure through this research?

At the same time, how many babies will be killed in the process? Why not do medical experiments on adult humans has well. We could do mass clinical tials with new drugs. Sure, most of them could die, but think of the lives we could save lator on.

Note, I'm being sarcastic.

 

[theseed]

Just imagine treatments for HIV, getting stable cell lines of immune cells and you could inject people with them, thus eliminating the need for AIDS drugs, and would keep people alive while they work to find a cure for the virus, it would be great.

Actually, that would not work because they would be foriegn cells which the body would recognize after they fully developed. The body would attack those foriegn cells much of the same way a body attacks a foriegn organ--by using lymphatic cells to detroy them.

 

[theseed]

Why is it that for some people, when someone disagrees with someone, the opposing view gets compared to Nazis?

The comparison is valid. The Nazis were not restricted by the morality of human life when they did thier medical experiments.