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Yes, as He simply said from the Garden to the Resurrection... My way, not your way.Through God’s word everything has already been proven and disproven and God don’t need us for his glorious truth to be revealed.
The authoritative NT apostolic teaching is that the law was not given for righteousness, for two reasons:My main statement about forgiveness and repentance was stated when I said, “However, King David committed sin, yet he repented, made many sacrifices, many confessions of wrong, many prayers, many supplications, many psalms, and God said David was a man after His own heart, Acts13:22 KJV“ which is what you are pointing out.
Abraham’s faith was counted for righteousness for the purpose of the new covenant promises, so that the Gentiles could be saved by faith who had no law, which righteousness by faith was established 430 years before the law, Galatians 3:17 KJV.
You just said righteousness has been by faith since Abraham (Ge 15:6, Ro 4:3)That is the mystery spoken about in the gospel, Colossians 1:26-27 KJV, Galatians 3:14 KJV. This faith promise did not come into force until Christ died on the cross,
Not according to authoritative NT apostolic teaching.Hebrews 9:16-17 KJV. In the mean time God established the Law under Moses where the people had to sacrificed animals and adhere to covenant laws to stand righteousness before God.
You don't have to go "looking for" false teachers in order to pit yourself against them, you can pit yourself against them when they come to you to attack the gospel:Clare73, Apostle Paul was preaching the gospel and being led by the Holy Spirit that ordered them not to stop. When Apostle Paul encounter those that opposed the gospel, he had no choice but to confront them because the were trying to stop the work of the gospel spreading. They did not go looking for those who opposed the work of the gospel. They were confronted and persecuted by these people, so Paul and the other Apostles were within their right to point out their false teachings.
This will help you understand what the righteousness of Abraham and the promise God made to him mean: let me help you out. This will take some studying on your part so here you go! First read the promises God gave to Abraham in the Old Testament. A concordance will assist you. Then trace that promise to his sons Isaac and Jacob. Then trace the promise “seed” and read all the scriptures relating to the promise “seed” and Abraham and who that seed is. Then read the difference between the sprinkling of the blood over all the people and the contents in temple. Then make the comparison between the temple blood and the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus.
You’re not saying anything different from what I said, but there are those that like to attack and debate. That’s fine. Keep attacking and debating! That’s your choice!Yes, as He simply said from the Garden to the Resurrection... My way, not your way.
The promises were seed (Ge 15:5) and an everlasting inheritance (Ge 17:8).This will help you understand what the righteousness of Abraham and the promise God made to him mean: let me help you out. This will take some studying on your part so here you go! First read the promises God gave to Abraham in the Old Testament.
The "seed" is singular. . .all the promises were made to Abraham and Christ only (Gal 3:16).A concordance will assist you. Then trace that promise to his sons Isaac and Jacob. Then trace the promise “seed” and read all the scriptures relating to the promise “seed” and Abraham and who that seed is.
No difference in purpose. . .it was for the cleansing of both people and the temple which was defiled by being in the midst of a sinful people.Then read the difference between the sprinkling of the blood over all the people and the contents in temple.
The atoning blood was applied by hyssop for cleansing of the temple and cleansing of the OT people, as the atoning blood is applied by faith to the people and the temple (church, body of Christ) of the NT for the remission of sin and salvation from God's condemnation on sin.Then make the comparison between the temple blood and the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus.
Imputing righteousness (justification) is simply crediting, reckoning, applying righteousness; i.e., a declaration of not guilty, a sentence of acquittal, a right standing with the Court, which is a forensic righteousness, not the actual righteousness of sanctification.This is not a one liner approach! This will take some time, but when you are finished, you will understand what the rightiousness of Abraham mean in relation to inputting rightiousness mean.
Then we can talk.
How are the promises connected to Abraham, his sons, Israel, Christ, and the law? How is rightiousness imputed onto a Christian based on Abraham’s faith, and as it relates to the Gentiles.The promises were seed (Ge 15:5) and an everlasting inheritance (Ge 17:8).
The "seed" is singular. . .all the promises were made to Abraham and Christ only (Gal 3:16).
No difference in purpose. . .it was for the cleansing of both and people and the temple which was defiled by being in the midst of a sinful people.
The atoning blood was applied by hyssop for cleansing of the temple and cleansing of the OT people, as the atoning blood is applied by faith to the people and the temple (church, body of Christ) of the NT for the remission of sin and salvation from God's condemnation on sin.
Imputing righteousness (justification) is simply crediting, reckoning, applying righteousness; i.e., a declaration of not guilty, a sentence of acquittal, a right standing with the Court, which is a forensic righteousness, not the actual righteousness of sanctification
Likewise some could contend that their posts are no more debateable than are some of your posts. You may view some posts that provide additional comment/insight as debate/attack when for all you know it could be inspired by a born again Believer ... not just their own opinion.You’re not saying anything different from what I said, but there are those that like to attack and debate. That’s fine. Keep attacking and debating! That’s your choice!
Not looking for an answer, it is just something to study when you have time.
I don’t have a theology! And Christians are given the gift of discernment by the Holy Spirit according to the gospel, 1 Corinthians 12:10 KJVLikewise some could contend that their posts are no more debateable than are some of your posts. You may view some posts that provide additional comment/insight as debate/attack when for all you know it could be inspired by a born again Believer ... not just their own opinion.
Say for exsmple your theology may be more that of Armenism or more that of Calvinsim or a melding of the two. GOD has only one theology and it may not be identical to your current theology. The purpose of these forums is a willingness to accept the possibility that not all born again Believers see eye-to-eye on their theological understanding. Maybe, they are both partly right and partly in need of further understanding ... (1 John 2:27).
Do you have the supernatural Gift of Discernment, like that of Paul ... so as to know when a post is out of step with your theology ?
The promises, "seed and everlasting possession" (Ge 15:5, Ge 17:8), were given to Abraham (Ge 12:7 13:15), Isaac ( Ge 26:3), Jacob (Ge 28:4, 35:12 and Christ (Gal 3:16) only.How are the promises connected to Abraham, his sons, Israel, Christ, and the law?
That is contra-NT.How is rightiousness imputed onto a Christian based on Abraham’s faith, and as it relates to the Gentiles.
Authoritative NT apostolic teaching addressing your questions provided above. . .Not looking for an answer, it is just something to study when you have time.
It is a light thing that you should be My Servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and restore the remnant;How are the promises connected to Abraham, his sons, Israel, Christ, and the law? How is rightiousness imputed onto a Christian based on Abraham’s faith, and as it relates to the Gentiles.
If the seed is singular, how did the promises relate to his sons, Israel, and the law, to include the law of circumsion, then salvation in Christ.
Not looking for an answer, it is just something to study when you have time.
Israel received the promise made to Abraham as well, Psalms 105:6-11 KJV.The promises, "seed and everlasting possession" (Ge 15:5, Ge 17:8), were given to Abraham (Ge 12:7 13:15), Isaac ( Ge 26:3), Jacob (Ge 28:4, 35:12 and Christ (Gal 3:16) only.
That is contra-NT.
According to authoritative NT apostolic teaching, righteousness imputed to the Christian is not based on Abraham's faith, it is based on their own faith in Jesus Christ (Ro 4:1-11).
From where are you drawing this contra-NT understanding?
‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ Acts 3:25-26Israel received the promise made to Abraham as well, Psalms 105:6-11 KJV.
While you do need to first have a belief alone (without works) in your initial salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9), you also have to continue in the Sanctification Process of the Holy Spirit to live a holy life as a part of God’s plan of salvation (2 Thessalonians 2:13) (Galatians 6:8-9) (Romans 8:13). So faith is not just a belief alone but it includes living a changed life. Everything in your Bible is a part of the faith.Bible Highlighter, sometimes we don’t have the full understanding of salvation in Christ Jesus and where sin fits in.
First sin had to be abolished in the world. This is not individual sin, but sin that man is born into, not of themselves, Romans 5:12 KJV, Romans 3:10 KJV
God offered eternal life for all mankind so that all mankind would not have to face the wages of sin, Romans 6:23 KJV. If God had not offered eternal life, no man on earth would have been able to be saved and would have to face hell fire.
So how would God accomplish this? There had to be a sacrifice to save man. Yes, Jesus body, Hebrews 10:5 KJV, and his shed blood, Colossians 1:14 KJV.
On the cross of Christ, God was reconciling the “world” unto himself not imputing their trespasses unto them, 2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV.
So now the above takes care of “sin” that is the nature of sin, the Ademic nature man inherited from Adam, Romans 5:12 KJV.
So now what? Salvation has been set up for everyone in Christ Jesus through the cross; it’s a done deal, Jesus said it is finished, John 19:30 KJV.
So how does the salvation plan already established save us on an individual basis? The faith of Abraham! We are to believe on Christ and through the faith of Abraham and the promises and blessings he received, Galatians 3:8-9 KJV, Galatians 3:14 KJV, righteousness is also inputted onto us, Romans 4:22-25 KJV.
So the question of sin is answered in Christ. The question of forgiveness has been dealt with in Christ. When we believe on Christ we receive a down payment of our inheritance to the Kingdom, Ephesians 1:14 KjV, which is a promise of salvation, Ephesians 1:13 KJV.
So based on God’s salvation plan, there is no more sin, 1 John 3:9 KJV.
We were sinners from the beginning! It’s just that once we come to Christ, God conforms us sinners, who are now saved, to the image of His son through the Holy Spirit, Romans 8:29 KJV.
We are sinners, you, me, your friends, Calvinists, and anybody else, and we are only made righteous in One, that is Christ Jesus.
So sin has been taken care of at the cross. We are now being conformed to the image of Christ by the Spirit. Sometimes the conforming is difficult, but the Bible says we suffer for Christ, and God chastises his children. This is not for punishment, but to build us up to the peaceable fruit of righteousness, Hebrews 12:11 KJV.
If a man or woman chooses not to accept Christ, they forfeit salvation offered to them!
Also the imputation of Christ’s sacrifice is not only by having a faith alone in our initial salvation but it also includes walking in the light as he is in the light.Bible Highlighter, sometimes we don’t have the full understanding of salvation in Christ Jesus and where sin fits in.
First sin had to be abolished in the world. This is not individual sin, but sin that man is born into, not of themselves, Romans 5:12 KJV, Romans 3:10 KJV
God offered eternal life for all mankind so that all mankind would not have to face the wages of sin, Romans 6:23 KJV. If God had not offered eternal life, no man on earth would have been able to be saved and would have to face hell fire.
So how would God accomplish this? There had to be a sacrifice to save man. Yes, Jesus body, Hebrews 10:5 KJV, and his shed blood, Colossians 1:14 KJV.
On the cross of Christ, God was reconciling the “world” unto himself not imputing their trespasses unto them, 2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV.
So now the above takes care of “sin” that is the nature of sin, the Ademic nature man inherited from Adam, Romans 5:12 KJV.
So now what? Salvation has been set up for everyone in Christ Jesus through the cross; it’s a done deal, Jesus said it is finished, John 19:30 KJV.
So how does the salvation plan already established save us on an individual basis? The faith of Abraham! We are to believe on Christ and through the faith of Abraham and the promises and blessings he received, Galatians 3:8-9 KJV, Galatians 3:14 KJV, righteousness is also inputted onto us, Romans 4:22-25 KJV.
So the question of sin is answered in Christ. The question of forgiveness has been dealt with in Christ. When we believe on Christ we receive a down payment of our inheritance to the Kingdom, Ephesians 1:14 KjV, which is a promise of salvation, Ephesians 1:13 KJV.
So based on God’s salvation plan, there is no more sin, 1 John 3:9 KJV.
We were sinners from the beginning! It’s just that once we come to Christ, God conforms us sinners, who are now saved, to the image of His son through the Holy Spirit, Romans 8:29 KJV.
We are sinners, you, me, your friends, Calvinists, and anybody else, and we are only made righteous in One, that is Christ Jesus.
So sin has been taken care of at the cross. We are now being conformed to the image of Christ by the Spirit. Sometimes the conforming is difficult, but the Bible says we suffer for Christ, and God chastises his children. This is not for punishment, but to build us up to the peaceable fruit of righteousness, Hebrews 12:11 KJV.
If a man or woman chooses not to accept Christ, they forfeit salvation offered to them!
True, the sanctification process is done by the Holy Spirit, as I mentioned it can be difficult,While you do need to first have a belief alone (without works) in your initial salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9), you also have to continue in the Sanctification Process of the Holy Spirit to live a holy life as a part of God’s plan of salvation (2 Thessalonians 2:13) (Galatians 6:8-9) (Romans 8:13). So faith is not just a belief alone but it includes living a changed life.
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