Justification and Salvation

[Dominus Fidelis]

Would you all kindly educate me on one aspect of your beliefs by answering this simple question?

Do justification and salvation occur at the same point in time, and afterwards we are sanctified?

In other words...

When you accept Jesus by faith alone, you are then justified, correct? So are you also then saved?

Thanks!

 

[Reformationist]

Would you all kindly educate me on one aspect of your beliefs by answering this simple question?

Do justification and salvation occur at the same point in time, and afterwards we are sanctified?

In other words...

When you accept Jesus by faith alone, you are then justified, correct? So are you also then saved?

Thanks!

Salvation has a progressive relationship to our eternal life with God. We are eternally saved when the Lord regenerates and justifies us, we are progressively and continually saved from our inherent fallenness by the grace of God in our Lord Jesus, and we are finally saved when we are glorified and seated with God in His everlasting Kingdom.

God bless

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Salvation has a progressive relationship to our eternal life with God. We are eternally saved when the Lord regenerates and justifies us, we are progressively and continually saved from our inherent fallenness by the grace of God in our Lord Jesus, and we are finally saved when we are glorified and seated with God in His everlasting Kingdom.

God bless

Thanks.

Do the other members of this forum believe that justification equates to eternal salvation as well?

 

[BBAS 64]

Thanks.

Do the other members of this forum believe that justification equates to eternal salvation as well?

D.F

I do not know that this is an accurate portrayal of what Reformationist is saying. That is not the idea I come away with. Reformationist if I have misrepresented you I appoligize . May be later when I have some time I will come back and try to explain my veiw on this issue.

For His Glory Alone!

BBAS

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

D.F

I do not know that this is an accurate portrayal of what Reformationist is saying. That is not the idea I come away with. Reformationist if I have misrepresented you I appoligize . May be later when I have some time I will come back and try to explain my veiw on this issue.

For His Glory Alone!

BBAS

It's not? He said the justified are eternally saved, did he not?

Am I misrepresenting you, Reformationist?

Do you believe justified people can be in Hell?

 

[Knight]

This has been discussed before....

Check out my response on this thread...
http://www.christianforums.com/t66147

 

[ej]

It's a good explanation

I've never fully understood the meaning iof these different words as people seem to have different interpretations, but your explanation helps a lot - thanks

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Thanks Knight...just to clarify things for me...

Do you believe justified people can be in Hell?

 

[Knight]

It's a good explanation

I've never fully understood the meaning iof these different words as people seem to have different interpretations, but your explanation helps a lot - thanks

Assuming this was directed at me.....

You're welcome.

If not....

You're still welcome.

 

[Reformationist]

It's not? He said the justified are eternally saved, did he not?

Yes, they are. I didn't say they were the same thing but they most definitely go hand in hand.

Am I misrepresenting you, Reformationist?

I'm not aware of it if you are.

Do you believe justified people can be in Hell?

Absolutely not. The term "justified" refers to being accounted righteous on behalf of the Lord's righteousness. For a justified person to end up in hell the Lord would have to remove that imputation or else He would be condemning and counting as unrighteous a righteous, in account even if not in deed, person.

God bless

 

[Knight]

Thanks Knight...just to clarify things for me...

Do you believe justified people can be in Hell?

No.

 

[Rechtgläubig]

When you accept Jesus by faith alone, you are then justified, correct?

Yes and no.

Lutherans recognize an Objective Justification and a Subjective Justification. In short, saying that Christ paid for everyone's sins at the cross would be called Objective Justification this took place outside of ourselves and happened around 2,000 years ago. One's faith Justifies them Subjectively. The best way I can illustrate this is saying...

You are way over your head in debt. God put a limitless amount of money into your bank account for the sole reason that He loves you. Then either I tell you about this "good news" or your read about it in a book. If you blow it off and say that it is ridiculous, the gift will do you no good, but if you do believe me...

The importance behind this distinction shows that it is not how strong I feel my faith any certain day that causes my forgiveness, but a historical fact that can't change. Christ paid for our sins, He died for us, and rose. Someone doesn't feel forgiven, they can always look to Christ who said, "It is finished." God's forgiveness causes my faith to strengthen, me to feel forgiven.

Our faith is not the cause of salvation, it is just the channel through which we receive forgiveness. "BY Grace you are saved, THROUGH Faith". If God's Grace is compared to water, Faith would be the plumbing we receive it through.

I hope I didn't confuse anyone.

God Bless.

 

[InquisitorKind]

Would you all kindly educate me on one aspect of your beliefs by answering this simple question?

Do justification and salvation occur at the same point in time, and afterwards we are sanctified?

In other words...

When you accept Jesus by faith alone, you are then justified, correct? So are you also then saved?

Thanks!

I agree with what Reformationist has posted. Salvation is a process, so you can be justified and in the state of salvation at the same time, but I wouldn't say that salvation is completed when justification occurs.

~Matt

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I agree with what Reformationist has posted. Salvation is a process, so you can be justified and in the state of salvation at the same time, but I wouldn't say that salvation is completed when justification occurs.

~Matt

What is someone becomes justified and is then hit by a bus? Saved?

 

[Knight]

What is someone becomes justified and is then hit by a bus? Saved?

Yes.

One who is justified is forgiven of sins and granted a right standing before God through the blood of Christ. Therefore, one who is justified will not be condemned.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Dear P/R/E brethren:

Is it fair to say that you believe that a justified person is not currently saved, but there is no way that he/she will not be saved eventually?

Sorry for the double negative, but I am just trying to understand. Thanks

 

[Knight]

Dear P/R/E brethren:

Is it fair to say that you believe that a justified person is not currently saved, but there is no way that he/she will not be saved eventually?

No, one who is justified stands right before God. They are saved.

Sorry for the double negative, but I am just trying to understand. Thanks

No problem, it can be a difficult thing to grasp.

 

[ej]

No, one who is justified stands right before God. They are saved.

I almost agree

I'd say ...they WILL BE saved...

 

[Knight]

I almost agree

I'd say ...they WILL BE saved...

Which is consistent with the Catholic position on this issue.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Which is consistent with the Catholic position on this issue.

Assuming that they dont fall from grace, yes.