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Judge Merchan orders Trump sentencing

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The fact there was an unconditional discharge proves this was not a serious case but was in fact a political hit job.
Judge Juan Merchan, who was a frequent target of Trump during the trial, said the unconditional discharge was the "only lawful sentence" to protect "the office of the president ... not the occupant of the office."

Mister Trump deserved some other sentence, but the President can't be so encumbered.
 
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How is what I claimed "clearly false"?
I refer you to the previous answers by myself and others. You could also find the wikipedia article on this case. I'm not here to repeat stuff for people who don't listen (or read).
 
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That was 12 manipulated Americans not the American people at large.
Manipulated? They were Americans, all Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. Trump's attorneys questioned each one and approved of them to sit on the jury. A unanimous guilty decision was returned on each charge.

It was a fair trail. Americans convicted him on 34 felonies.

In November Trump won the election. Americans voted for him and Americans voted for others or didn't vote because they didn't like any candidate. It wasn't a unanimous decision. He got about 50% of the ballots cast, thus, Americans equally voted for and against Trump.
 
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It's now official.

“To be clear, the protections afforded by the office of the president are not a mitigating factor,” Merchan said. “They do not reduce the seriousness of the crime or justify its commission in any way.”
-Judge Merchan
 
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“Donald Trump the ordinary citizen, Donald Trump the criminal defendant” would not be entitled to the protections of the presidency, Justice Merchan asserts. It is only that office that shields him from the seriousness of the verdict.​
Now there is no argument. Donald Trump is a convicted felon and will be the first President to be a convicted felon ever. That is not an honor.
 
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Manipulated? They were Americans, all Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. Trump's attorneys questioned each one and approved of them to sit on the jury. A unanimous guilty decision was returned on each charge.
Not entirely true. The underlying crimes to make the misdemeanors felonies were not specifically defined. The jurors did not even have to be unanimous on this point. This is how they were manipulated. The jurors were given instructions that will in the end be one basis for appeal. I am not blaming jurors the problem is with a corrupt, biased judge.
 
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Now there is no argument. Donald Trump is a convicted felon and will be the first President to be a convicted felon ever. That is not an honor.
Does it excite you you declare that? He will be vindicated on appeal! Will you accept that verdict if it happens?
 
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Not entirely true. The underlying crimes to make the misdemeanors felonies were not specifically defined. The jurors did not even have to be unanimous on this point. This is how they were manipulated. The jurors were given instructions that will in the end be one basis for appeal. I am not blaming jurors the problem is with a corrupt, biased judge.
Should the inevitable appeal find that the convictions stand…would that mean that the New York court system is “corrupt”?
 
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Does it excite you you declare that? He will be vindicated on appeal! Will you accept that verdict if it happens?
I do not know about how @FreeinChrist would decide, but if Donald Trump wins on appeal, then he’s no longer a felon and I’ll go about my life little changed.
 
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It was a fair trail. Americans convicted him on 34 felonies.
This is the problem here. The premise that this was a fair trial is false. Many legal experts without a political ax to grind say there are numerous reversible errors. The judge was biased. This was a contrived case in the way the past statute of limitations misdemeanors were attached to a non specific secondary crime. Even Bragg was against bringing this case initially. There are many other inconsistencies with case which are ignored by many liberals salivating over the opportunity to call Trumps “convicted felons “.
 
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Not entirely true. The underlying crimes to make the misdemeanors felonies were not specifically defined. The jurors did not even have to be unanimous on this point. This is how they were manipulated. The jurors were given instructions that will in the end be one basis for appeal. I am not blaming jurors the problem is with a corrupt, biased judge.
Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York. He pleaded not guilty when he was arraigned last year.

Why he falsified those records don't matter, unless they were trying to charge him with a predicate crime, such as fraud. What he did was a crime under NY law.
 
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Should the inevitable appeal find that the convictions stand…would that mean that the New York court system is “corrupt”?
We will just have wait and see won’t we. The facts of this case are out there for all to see. For those who actually care about truth.
 
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Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York. He pleaded not guilty when he was arraigned last year.
No they were past statute of limitations misdemeanors that only became felonies because they were attached to another unspecified crime on which the jurors did not have to agree on. Let’s get the facts in this case correct.
 
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This is the problem here. The premise that this was a fair trial is false.
You will have to wait for the appeals process to finish before asserting that with such (unwarranted) authority.
 
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You will have to wait for the appeals process to finish before asserting that with such (unwarranted) authority.
Not my authority but that of many legal minds more knowledgeable than either you or I.
 
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This is the problem here. The premise that this was a fair trial is false.
This is a valid opinion to hold to. (This does not make it correct, however)
Many legal experts without a political ax to grind say there are numerous reversible errors.
Oddly none of their arguments held sway with Merchan.

The judge was biased.

So sez you.
This was a contrived case in the way the past statute of limitations misdemeanors were attached to a non specific secondary crime.
Mr Cohen had already pled guilty to this crime, the indictment of which specified an Individual 1, we now know that this was none other than Donald John Trump.

Even Bragg was against bringing this case initially.
No, that was his predecessor Cyrus Vance Jr
There are many other inconsistencies with case which are ignored by many liberals salivating over the opportunity to call Trumps “convicted felons “.
So what?
 
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Not my authority but that of many legal minds more knowledgeable than either you or I.
Many legal minds that agree with you. What of the many legal minds who don't? The proposition is literally arguable, and it will be argued in court.
 
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It was a fair trail. Americans convicted him on 34 felonies.

It's not quite that simple. Vox, which is no ally to Trump, published an article entitled "Was Trump Wrongly Convicted?" In that article, they stated this:

The criticisms of Bragg’s case are worth taking seriously. And reasonable people can believe that Thursday’s verdict was wrong.
 
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No they were past statute of limitations misdemeanors that only became felonies because they were attached to another unspecified crime on which the jurors did not have to agree on. Let’s get the facts in this case correct.
Incorrect, though the 5 year limit had passed, but the Pandemic era extension signed in 2020, extended the Statute by about a year and a half, making this a valid charge.

Now, this extension may be struck down upon appeal but as for now he has been legally convicted of 34 felonies.
 
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