Judge Merchan orders Trump sentencing

[DaisyDay]

Does it claim that though?

It claims that the investigation began "after" a new Manhattan DA in Spring of 2021 - that does not mean that the investigation began in the Spring of 2021.

Which investigation for which fraud? The NYS false business filing was investigated by Bragg's predecessor, DA Cyrus Vance.

And Trump announced his running for second term in Nov of 2022.

Okay?

 

[Zaha Torte]

The same way they did it when they indicted and convicted the Trump Org of seventeen counts of tax.

Which is how? Can't you explain?

 

[FreeinChrist]

Which investigation for which fraud? The NYS false business filing was investigated by Bragg's predecessor, DA Cyrus Vance.

Okay?

He has committed a lot of fraud.


Trump had to pay $25 million to victims of his fraudulent university. The investigation started in 2011 and the final court ruling after appeals was announced 2018. Folks voting in the 2024 election should have been aware of it

Trump had to pay $2 million to 8 different charities for misusing funds meant for them. The investigation started in 2016 and was final in Dec. 2019 after appeals.

Trump was found guilty of fraud for " "numerous acts of fraud and misrepresentation" to inflate Trump's net worth in order get more favorable loan terms." He had to pay a$175 million bond for a judgement over $350 million. This went on over decades.

Everyone voting in 2024 should have known these things. They also should have known that tariffs are not paid by the country the goods are coming from but by the importers here who share that cost with US consumers. Folks also should have known that Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act are the same thing. But many didn't and I have been reading things by people who were shocked after the election.

 

[Fantine]

The same way they did it when they indicted and convicted the Trump Org of seventeen counts of tax.

NYS has its own tax auditors, just like the IRS. They obviously found many incidents of fraud. Most companies would say, "OK, you got me. Can we negotiate on the interest and penalties?"
But Trump made them go through a civil trial. BTW, if he misses his interest payments they can seize his property, and if he defaults they should.

 

[Say it aint so]

Which is how? Can't you explain?

Enlightened of potential crimes. Investigations. Indictments. Trial. Guilty findings. Are you being tongue in cheek?

 

[Arcangl86]

This is the problem here. The premise that this was a fair trial is false. Many legal experts without a political ax to grind say there are numerous reversible errors. The judge was biased. This was a contrived case in the way the past statute of limitations misdemeanors were attached to a non specific secondary crime. Even Bragg was against bringing this case initially. There are many other inconsistencies with case which are ignored by many liberals salivating over the opportunity to call Trumps “convicted felons “.

Can you remember any of those experts? I would be interested in reading their arguments.

 

[A2SG]

Not entirely true. The underlying crimes to make the misdemeanors felonies were not specifically defined.

Yeah, they were.

From Judge Merchan's jury instructions:

The People allege that the other crime the defendant intended to commit, aid, or conceal is a violation of New York Election Law section 17-152.​

Did you miss that when you read the instructions to the jury?

The jurors did not even have to be unanimous on this point.

Not quite.

Again, from Judge Merchan's jury instructions:

Although you must conclude unanimously that the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were. In determining whether the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you may consider the following: (1) violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act otherwise known as FECA; (2) the falsification of other business records; or (3) violation of tax laws.​

I've given this to you before, but I'll do so again, in case you have further questions:

People v Donald J. Trump (Criminal) | NYCOURTS.GOV

Decision & Order: Motion to Terminate Order Restricting Extrajudicial Statements, June 25Presence of Counsel at Presentence Order, June 7Letter to Parties, June 7

ww2.nycourts.gov

This is how they were manipulated. The jurors were given instructions that will in the end be one basis for appeal. I am not blaming jurors the problem is with a corrupt, biased judge.

On that, we'll see. I've heard many legal minds, experienced in NY fraud law, who disagree with your perception of this case, even as some may agree. Seems to me, not being a lawyer myself, the issues aren't quite as clear cut as some would believe.

So far, we know the NY appeals court, as well as the US Supreme Court did not see fit to halt Trump's sentencing, so what you seem to think is obvious doesn't seem to be so for the courts.

-- A2SG, guessing you're not a lawyer either, nor do you have extensive knowledge and experience with NY fraud law....

 

[KCfromNC]

The fact there was an unconditional discharge proves this was not a serious case but was in fact a political hit job.

No, it means there's a policy not to put soon to be sitting presidents in jail during their term in office.

 

[KCfromNC]

You thinking this showcases the actual motivation behind the bogus cases against Trump.

It was an effort to lose him votes - not serve justice - and the "sentencing" today proves it further.

This seems like an attempt to shoot the messenger. The person responsible for the negative inferences suffered for being convicted of 34 felonies lays squarely on the shoulders of the guy who a jury found guilty of those crimes.

 

[KCfromNC]

I have read them.

Can you explain them?

Seems like an attempt to shift the burden of proof after others failed to take seriously the confident assertions that they must be faulty in some way.

 

[KCfromNC]

How do they do that?

They bring the evidence before a grand jury and if they find the evidence sufficient, continue with the legal process that, in this particular case, ended with the conviction and sentencing of the accused.

This is pretty basic stuff. Not understanding it really calls into question all of the empty assertions about reversible errors committed by the judge.

 

[Postvieww]

On that, we'll see. I've heard many legal minds, experienced in NY fraud law, who disagree with your perception

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Ok name them! Dershowitz slams Trump conviction: 'Worst legal verdict I've seen in 60 years' All attempts I’ve seen on this thread to justify this legal monstrosity are bunk. This case was rigged against Trump from the start. I’ve listed two legal experts with years of experience one of which claims no allegiance to Trump but only the legal system it’s self. As for the Supreme Court decision, they made no ruling on the merits of the case or the way it was conducted only that it should play out to finality which it now has. An appeal will come later and is a totally different issue. Many who gleefully rejoice over the fact Trump is now on paper a convicted felon are so proud of the attempt to get Trump all the while ignoring real crimes committed by the corrupt temporary resident of the White House. Biden pardoned his son to save himself from future investigations and prosecution. All cries of the rule of law and justice from that crowd rings hollow.

The Trump Trial in Manhattan is an Indictment of the New York Legal System

Below is my column in the New York Post on the start of the Trump trial today in New York. I have long been critical of the case as a clear example of the weaponization of the criminal justice syst…

jonathanturley.org

 

[DaisyDay]

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Ok name them! Dershowitz slams Trump conviction: 'Worst legal verdict I've seen in 60 years' All attempts I’ve seen on this thread to justify this legal monstrosity are bunk. This case was rigged against Trump from the start. I’ve listed two legal experts with years of experience one of which claims no allegiance to Trump but only the legal system it’s self. As for the Supreme Court decision, they made no ruling on the merits of the case or the way it was conducted only that it should play out to finality which it now has. An appeal will come later and is a totally different issue. Many who gleefully rejoice over the fact Trump is now on paper a convicted felon are so proud of the attempt to get Trump all the while ignoring real crimes committed by the corrupt temporary resident of the White House. Biden pardoned his son to save himself from future investigations and prosecution. All cries of the rule of law and justice from that crowd rings hollow.

The Trump Trial in Manhattan is an Indictment of the New York Legal System

Below is my column in the New York Post on the start of the Trump trial today in New York. I have long been critical of the case as a clear example of the weaponization of the criminal justice syst…

jonathanturley.org

Yeah, legal scholars contrarian Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley have consistently shilled for Trump, paid for FoxNews as contributors. Other legal scholars such as Laurence Tribe and Harry Litman consider Trump's investigation, conviction and sentencing as constitutional.

Merchan has treated the felon Trump with great leniency. Now that Donald has been sentenced - with no penalty for his crimes - he is free to appeal the sentence.

 

[Postvieww]

Yeah, legal scholars contrarian Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley have consistently shilled for Trump, paid for FoxNews as contributors. Other legal scholars such as Laurence Tribe and Harry Litman consider Trump's investigation, conviction and sentencing as constitutional.

Merchan has treated the felon Trump with great leniency. Now that Donald has been sentenced - with no penalty for his crimes - he is free to appeal the sentence.

Typical liberal response shoot the messenger ignore the substance.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Editing as the quote is not there anymore.

 

[Pommer]

Typical liberal response shoot the messenger ignore the substance.

The second sentence of the post you quoted did exactly what you were complaining about, did you miss that?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Typical liberal response shoot the messenger ignore the substance.

There are valid reasons to doubt the impartiality and correctness of the Dershes and Turleys of the world. Turley made all sorts of legal assertions throughout Trump's impeachments, and he was consistently wrong.

 

[Postvieww]

Typical Maga response to not address the content?

You write as though MAGA is a bad thing . You do realize it stands for Make America Great Again!

 

[FreeinChrist]

You write as though MAGA is a bad thing . You do realize it stands for Make America Great Again!

I judge by actions.

 

[DaisyDay]

Typical liberal response shoot the messenger ignore the substance.

I haven't shot anyone. There isn't much substance in that diatribe, but I addressed what little there was. As such, your post is nothing but an ill informed ad hom.