Judas - Forgiven or Not?

[StormyOne]

You contend Jesus worked in cahoots with Satan to commit suicide? Or am I misunderstanding you?

Can God be killed? If Jesus is God, and God can't be killed, then there is a problem right?

 

[TrustAndObey]

Did I throw around an accusation? Or did I ask you to clarify?

 

[Mankin]

It was sin that killed Jesus. When he allowed the sins to pass on to him on the cross it separated him from God. Separation from God causes death. I don't believe that suicide victims are damned.

 

[sentipente]

Did I throw around an accusation? Or did I ask you to clarify?

I said don't be too quick to do so. I did not say you did so.

 

[OntheDL]

Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

Which brings up some interesting questions, since we are told to confess our sins and KNOW they are forgiven. Judas didn't know he was forgiven, and couldn't live with that guilt?

I sometimes wonder if suicide is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

I was told growing up it is the unforgivable sin to commit suicide, but that would only apply if it is blaspeming the Holy Spirit, right?

Sorry I'm rusty. John 13:2 says the Devil put in the heart of Judas to betray Jesus.

Any sin can be the unpardonable sin since it's ultimate rejection of the holy spirit: there is no turning back.

God is life. Judas took his own. Therefore sealing his fate.

 

[Mankin]

Suicide victims often are religious but have mental illnesses that makes their lives miserable. The Devil uses sorrow and mental illnesses to trick people into committing suicide.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Is this thread about Judas, or did I come in the wrong door?

Jesus DIED. God the Father has immortality.

We can talk about the Godhead in another thread if you'd like.

Sheesh

 

[StormyOne]

Is this thread about Judas, or did I come in the wrong door?

Jesus DIED. God the Father has immortality.

We can talk about the Godhead in another thread if you'd like.

Sheesh

So Jesus isn't God? and they are related...

 

[TrustAndObey]

How is the statement that Jesus committed suicide related to Judas?

 

[sentipente]

Is this thread about Judas, or did I come in the wrong door?

People who come in the wrong door usually go out the right door.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Yes, Jesus is God. God the Son.

 

[sentipente]

How is the statement that Jesus committed suicide related to Judas?

Because you were mischaracterizing suicide.

 

[OntheDL]

Suicide victims often are religious but have mental illnesses that makes their lives miserable. The Devil uses sorrow and mental illnesses to trick people into committing suicide.

So people can still enter into heaven when they are deceived by satan? Didn't Adam and Eve lose it when they were deceived?

 

[sentipente]

So people can still enter into heaven when they are deceived by satan? Didn't Adam and Eve lose it when they were deceived?

They did not. Deception means you are not legally responsible for your acts.

 

[OntheDL]

Yes, Jesus is God. God the Son.

Lainie,

The humanity of Jesus died on the cross. The divinity did not.

 

[StormyOne]

Yes, Jesus is God. God the Son.

So if Jesus is God and God cannot be killed, what happened?

Why is this important? Judas was forgiven but did not forgive himself in my opinion, likewise if Judas had really understood who Christ was then he may have chosen to do differently.....

 

[sentipente]

Lainie,

The humanity of Jesus died on the cross. The divinity did not.

I'd suggest we reserve judgment in the absence of flat line data.

 

[Mankin]

So if Jesus is God and God cannot be killed, what happened?

Why is this important? Judas was forgiven but did not forgive himself in my opinion, likewise if Judas had really understood who Christ was then he may have chosen to do differently.....

Read my post.

 

[OntheDL]

They did not. Deception means you are not legally responsible for your acts.

Do you have scripture to back up your statement?

There is only one act that God does not hold us responsible to. That's not sin by deception.

Was Eve deceived or not?

 

[sentipente]

The sad aspect of Judas' experience is that he bore a burden He did not have to bear. This is why when Jesus appeared He told the women to tell the disciples "and" Peter. He singled out Peter for mention because Peter had betrayed Him. Too many are running around carrying burdens that were long ago taken care off. At the cross Jesus forgave ALL our sins: past, present and future.