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So.. you say "I have nothing against Mormon people", but believe all Mormons should be gagged and not allowed to speak?

????
No, you can speak what you like, you know, freedom of speech and all that, but I state, believe, whatever words you feel like using, that Christians are to speak the truth and expose false gospels. So although you are entitled to practice whatever faith you require, if you use the name of my Saviour and teach differently to how Jesus states, I will expose it. I’m not annoyed or upset or have hatred for Mormon people, it’s their false gospel.
Il tell you who I am annoyed at, the Christian administrators who say their Christian but allow a false gospel to be preached and give their views on their so called Christian website.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the owners of this site are anything but Christian.

Don’t take it personal sister, I will be starting one on JW next. Also, I was baptised a Catholic but I will expose that too.
 
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No, you can speak what you like, you know, freedom of speech and all that, but I state, believe, whatever words you feel like using, that Christians are to speak the truth and expose false gospels. So although you are entitled to practice whatever faith you require, if you use the name of my Saviour and teach differently to how Jesus states, I will expose it. I’m not annoyed or upset or have hatred for Mormon people, it’s their false gospel.
Il tell you who I am annoyed at, the Christian administrators who say their Christian but allow a false gospel to be preached and give their views on their so called Christian website.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the owners of this site are anything but Christian.

Don’t take it personal sister, I will be starting one on JW next. Also, I was baptised a Catholic but I will expose that too.
So... this come across as "I don't have a hatred for you, I just hate your love of Christ and am annoyed at the administrators for allowing you to say 'I love Christ'. But don't take it personally, I do the same with a bunch of other people."
.... yeah...
 
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So... this come across as "I don't have a hatred for you, I just hate your love of Christ and am annoyed at the administrators for allowing you to say 'I love Christ'. But don't take it personally, I do the same with a bunch of other people."
.... yeah...
So are you openly stating that Mormons have the real truth version of the gospel?
Where do I sign!
 
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This comment has nothing to do with my previous post. Could you respond to post #204?
Right so, how about this, you love Christ whom is Gods begotten Son, you say you love Him but you belief in a false gospel which in reality is against what Jesus teaches. So where’s the love there?
 
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Right so, how about this, you love Christ whom is Gods begotten Son, you say you love Him but you belief in a false gospel which in reality is against what Jesus teaches. So where’s the love there?
There's no love in pretending someone doesn't love Christ.
 
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One thing I've noticed is that a lot of Mormons do not fully understand what their church actually teaches.

:argh:

Do you have any idea how many mainline Christians I've had to teach their own theology and their own religious history because they were practically illiterate on the subjects?

And how the vast majority of these instances involved mainliners who were none-the-less convinced that they were "right" and I was "wrong" simply because of their membership in the "correct" denomination?

I'm literally talking about people who thought that the KJV was pretty well handed down from Heaven as-is.

As for your original statement, are you sure that you are the one with the correct information? It's basically seen as a running gag among LDS circles how often critics of the church will try to "educate" us on what we supposedly believe despite their information being grossly inaccurate at best and raging lies at worst.

I have literally seen people suffer psychotic breaks because they can't reconcile the fact that the information their minister or other trusted source told them about us isn't correct. We're supposed to be mortal enemies theologically as far as they're concerned, so admitting that their minister goofed and told them something that wasn't correct means having to accept that on at least that one point, we're more trustworthy than their minister. They can't handle it, and so "My pastor knows better!" ends up being their mantra right until something in their brain finally pops.

If you ask me, the mainline denominations would do well to spend more time ensuring that their own people know the basics and less time organizing the angry mobs.
 
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:argh:

Do you have any idea how many mainline Christians I've had to teach their own theology and their own religious history because they were practically illiterate on the subjects?

And how the vast majority of these instances involved mainliners who were none-the-less convinced that they were "right" and I was "wrong" simply because of their membership in the "correct" denomination?

I'm literally talking about people who thought that the KJV was pretty well handed down from Heaven as-is.

As for your original statement, are you sure that you are the one with the correct information? It's basically seen as a running gag among LDS circles how often critics of the church will try to "educate" us on what we supposedly believe despite their information being grossly inaccurate at best and raging lies at worst.

I have literally seen people suffer psychotic breaks because they can't reconcile the fact that the information their minister or other trusted source told them about us isn't correct. We're supposed to be mortal enemies theologically as far as they're concerned, so admitting that their minister goofed and told them something that wasn't correct means having to accept that on at least that one point, we're more trustworthy than their minister. They can't handle it, and so "My pastor knows better!" ends up being their mantra right until something in their brain finally pops.

If you ask me, the mainline denominations would do well to spend more time ensuring that their own people know the basics and less time organizing the angry mobs.
Ironhold, I had the same knee-jerk reaction (we've both been in the same rodeo too many times... like watching Ground Hog Day). But I don't think this is automatically an identical rerun.

To AlmostThere's credit he then clarified that such illiteracy in theology is not remotely an LDS-specific thing, but a human condition. Obviously I'm not him, but I can see him very much agreeing that theological education is dismal in ALL churches (such as your example of people not knowing the Bible's history).
 
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My religion is the very cult that Jesus Christ founded upon Himself and the preaching of His Apostles and the sending of the Holy Spirit. My religion is the continuation of the Jewish religion, as fulfilled in the Savior. It is the Savior's religion. Mormonism only began when a man named Joseph Smith, a product of reformation religious culture, was visited by an angel, called "Moroni", I believe, and was instructed to bring a different gospel to the people than the Gospel upheld in the Holy Tradition of the ancient Church -- upheld by the Power of the Holy Spirit breathing in Her.

The Prophet Mohammed who founded the religion of Islam was also visited by an archangel, Gabriel, who instructed him to bring a different gospel to the people than the Gospel upheld in the Holy Tradition of the ancient Church -- upheld by the Power of the Holy Spirit breathing in Her.

We should begin to see a sort of pattern here.

I've discovered that it's a matter of Life and death to remain in the "Cult" of The Word of God and the Spirit of God, and to reject all these other, newer cults.
Nicely put, we are of the cult of Jesus Christ. We are the continuation of the Jewish religion. Very nicely put.

Since you have not yet studied Mormonism, I will correct one part of your information. JS was not first contacted by the angel Moroni. He was first contact several years before Moroni by Jesus Christ himself. As JS wondered which church was the right church, he as impressed to pray to God about his dilema. When he knelt to pray, he first encountered satan, who tried at that time to kill the young prophet of God. Just at the moment that JS thought he might be swept away, he saw a light over his head and that eventually settled around him and he no longer felt threatened by satan. In this light he says that he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ standing on his right side (just like Stephen when he declared to the Jews that he saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God. (Acts 7:56)

As JS looked up and saw the Father and the Son, the Father spake first and said "this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, hear ye him". Jesus then spoke and asked JS what he wanted. JS wanted to know about his sins, and he also wanted to know which church to join. Jesus told him to not join any church because Jesus wanted JS to be a new prophet to restore the true church of Jesus Christ to the earth again. This happened just as Jesus said.

4 years later Jesus Christ sent Moroni to JS to translate the BOM and prepare the world for a second witness that Jesus is the Christ and the true Son of God. A second witness that the bible is the true word of God. This second witness is important to come to a full understanding of the truth.

So God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ and the HS visited JS years before the angel Moroni appeared to JS.
 
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Nicely put, we are of the cult of Jesus Christ. We are the continuation of the Jewish religion. Very nicely put.

Since you have not yet studied Mormonism, I will correct one part of your information. JS was not first contacted by the angel Moroni. He was first contact several years before Moroni by Jesus Christ himself. As JS wondered which church was the right church, he as impressed to pray to God about his dilema. When he knelt to pray, he first encountered satan, who tried at that time to kill the young prophet of God. Just at the moment that JS thought he might be swept away, he saw a light over his head and that eventually settled around him and he no longer felt threatened by satan. In this light he says that he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ standing on his right side (just like Stephen when he declared to the Jews that he saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God. (Acts 7:56)

As JS looked up and saw the Father and the Son, the Father spake first and said "this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, hear ye him". Jesus then spoke and asked JS what he wanted. JS wanted to know about his sins, and he also wanted to know which church to join. Jesus told him to not join any church because Jesus wanted JS to be a new prophet to restore the true church of Jesus Christ to the earth again. This happened just as Jesus said.

4 years later Jesus Christ sent Moroni to JS to translate the BOM and prepare the world for a second witness that Jesus is the Christ and the true Son of God. A second witness that the bible is the true word of God. This second witness is important to come to a full understanding of the truth.

So God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ and the HS visited JS years before the angel Moroni appeared to JS.
Jesus (the True Christ) said He would build his church, and that the gates of hell (death) would not prevail against it. The jesus that the false prophet JS heard said not to join any church because he wanted JS to be a new prophet to restore the true church to earth again. I will believe the words of the Christ of Scripture Who said there would never be a need to restore His Church to earth again, because it would never disappear from this world. Better for you if you did so also, it is.

Just a heads up, the prophet Mohammed was sent to restore the true church of Jesus Christ to earth again also. Shouldn't it become obvious to people after so many different prophets come to restore the true church to earth again, all bringing diverse destructive heresies, that the Christ is not the Person Who is sending them?
 
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Jesus (the True Christ) said He would build his church, and that the gates of hell (death) would not prevail against it. The jesus that the false prophet JS heard said not to join any church because he wanted JS to be a new prophet to restore the true church to earth again. I will believe the words of the Christ of Scripture Who said there would never be a need to restore His Church to earth again, because it would never disappear from this world. Better for you if you did so also, it is.
LDS believe those verses as well, with a different interpretation.
 
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Nicely put, we are of the cult of Jesus Christ. We are the continuation of the Jewish religion. Very nicely put.

Since you have not yet studied Mormonism, I will correct one part of your information. JS was not first contacted by the angel Moroni. He was first contact several years before Moroni by Jesus Christ himself. As JS wondered which church was the right church, he as impressed to pray to God about his dilema. When he knelt to pray, he first encountered satan, who tried at that time to kill the young prophet of God. Just at the moment that JS thought he might be swept away, he saw a light over his head and that eventually settled around him and he no longer felt threatened by satan. In this light he says that he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ standing on his right side (just like Stephen when he declared to the Jews that he saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God. (Acts 7:56)

As JS looked up and saw the Father and the Son, the Father spake first and said "this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, hear ye him". Jesus then spoke and asked JS what he wanted. JS wanted to know about his sins, and he also wanted to know which church to join. Jesus told him to not join any church because Jesus wanted JS to be a new prophet to restore the true church of Jesus Christ to the earth again. This happened just as Jesus said.

4 years later Jesus Christ sent Moroni to JS to translate the BOM and prepare the world for a second witness that Jesus is the Christ and the true Son of God. A second witness that the bible is the true word of God. This second witness is important to come to a full understanding of the truth.

So God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ and the HS visited JS years before the angel Moroni appeared to JS.

Joseph Smith allowed himself to be afflicted with prelest. Mormonism resulted.
 
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You're being silly here. RLDS and LDS churches are two very different things. If you want to understand real LDS doctrine, I'm happy to explain it to you. If you want to talk about Christ or hear about my relationship with Him, I'm happy to have that conversation with you. But with all do respect I'm not interested in having you "inform" me about "my" RLDS beliefs.
Not being silly at all. The RLDS and LDS are different churches, but I would not say "very" different. Both the RLDS church and the LDS church use and accept the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants as scripture.

Why don't you explain to me how you came to establish a relationship with Christ and answer the question, "What must I do to be saved?"
 
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Not being silly at all. The RLDS and LDS are different churches, but I would not say "very" different. Both the RLDS church and the LDS church use and accept the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants as scripture.
That's not even true: D&C varies between the two.
Why don't you explain to me how you came to establish a relationship with Christ and answer the question, "What must I do to be saved?"
When I was ~6 six years old, I was going through a really rough time in life. I was bogged down in the difficulties of life and in pain this existence can bring. I also felt weighed down for my own shortcomings- that I couldn’t do this or that, that I wasn’t good enough, or that I had done wrong things, even things which brought pain to those I loved. There was so much I regretted, so much I wanted to get away from—part of me even hated myself for all of this. I felt very alone in all this, that no one self could understand what I was going through.



During this time I would frequently go out the backyard swing set for solace to think with hanging upside on the monkey-bar swing for hours, just thinking. Sometimes I would get bogged down in my self-hatred. Sometimes I would say a prayer to fight off those demonic feelings. I wonder the purpose of it all. On one such day, a song came into my mind that I had learned at church that day:



“Heavenly Father, are you really there?


And do you hear and answer ev'ry child's prayer?


Some say that heaven is far away,


But I feel it close around me as I pray.


Heavenly Father, I remember now


Something that Jesus told disciples long ago:


"Suffer the children to come to me."


Father, in prayer I'm coming now to thee.”



I remembered that song. I remembered the story of Jesus which went along with it. I remembered how He asked specifically for the little children to come to Him, and blessed them. I remember how He lived, prayed, and died to understand all of us and to save us from evil. He suffered for all of it—He understood all of it—even the littlest thing. Like Jesus understood exactly what it was like to have a sister-with-a-temper! He also understood the more complicated things I was going through. And there was a reason for it! The end of all this struggle was so glorious—such amazing great things to come! God hadn’t forgotten about me or anything- I was His child- He cared beyond measure.



I sat on that swing and just poured my heart out in prayer. I can’t express the relief to have someone to talk to- to have someone to understand. That feelings of welcome and love….And then, to have someone to that could Heal on top of it—that knit up my heart so much that day. To express it in words…. “the best hug ever!” is what my little self called it, and those are probably the best words I still have at ~28 (or however old I am now).



As I grew up more, I had more moments and wavering and certainty in faith, and in God. I knew God was the person whom Understood everything I was going though: my wishes, my desires, my pains. I devote myself to Him every day: He is my Lord, my Savior, the only begotten Son of God.
 
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If you ask me, the mainline denominations would do well to spend more time ensuring that their own people know the basics and less time organizing the angry mobs.

I've never met a pastor who would organize an angry mob ---- NEVER!
 
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When I was ~6 six years old, I was going through a really rough time in life. I was bogged down in the difficulties of life and in pain this existence can bring....

As I grew up more, I had more moments and wavering and certainty in faith, and in God. I knew God was the person whom Understood everything I was going though: my wishes, my desires, my pains. I devote myself to Him every day: He is my Lord, my Savior, the only begotten Son of God.

Everyone goes through suffering. Not all are raised in Mormonism. I was blessed to be brought to the true God regardless of all the obstacles.
 
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Why don't you explain to me how you came to establish a relationship with Christ and answer the question, "What must I do to be saved?"

Are you kidding? I've been here almost fifteen years. All I've ever seen are ambiguous answers.
 
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That's not even true: D&C varies between the two.
To what extent and does it really make much difference? The D&C is not inspired scripture, regardless.

When I was ~6 six years old, I was going through a really rough time in life. I was bogged down in the difficulties of life and in pain this existence can bring. I also felt weighed down for my own shortcomings- that I couldn’t do this or that, that I wasn’t good enough, or that I had done wrong things, even things which brought pain to those I loved. There was so much I regretted, so much I wanted to get away from—part of me even hated myself for all of this. I felt very alone in all this, that no one self could understand what I was going through.

During this time I would frequently go out the backyard swing set for solace to think with hanging upside on the monkey-bar swing for hours, just thinking. Sometimes I would get bogged down in my self-hatred. Sometimes I would say a prayer to fight off those demonic feelings. I wonder the purpose of it all. On one such day, a song came into my mind that I had learned at church that day:

“Heavenly Father, are you really there?

And do you hear and answer ev'ry child's prayer?

Some say that heaven is far away,

But I feel it close around me as I pray.

Heavenly Father, I remember now

Something that Jesus told disciples long ago:

"Suffer the children to come to me."

Father, in prayer I'm coming now to thee.”

I remembered that song. I remembered the story of Jesus which went along with it. I remembered how He asked specifically for the little children to come to Him, and blessed them. I remember how He lived, prayed, and died to understand all of us and to save us from evil. He suffered for all of it—He understood all of it—even the littlest thing. Like Jesus understood exactly what it was like to have a sister-with-a-temper! He also understood the more complicated things I was going through. And there was a reason for it! The end of all this struggle was so glorious—such amazing great things to come! God hadn’t forgotten about me or anything- I was His child- He cared beyond measure.

I sat on that swing and just poured my heart out in prayer. I can’t express the relief to have someone to talk to- to have someone to understand. That feelings of welcome and love….And then, to have someone to that could Heal on top of it—that knit up my heart so much that day. To express it in words…. “the best hug ever!” is what my little self called it, and those are probably the best words I still have at ~28 (or however old I am now).

As I grew up more, I had more moments and wavering and certainty in faith, and in God. I knew God was the person whom Understood everything I was going though: my wishes, my desires, my pains. I devote myself to Him every day: He is my Lord, my Savior, the only begotten Son of God.
Thank you for your testimony, but that still does not answer the question, "What must I do to be saved?"

If you were standing at the gates of heaven right this moment and Jesus Christ asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would be your exact answer?
 
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