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Immortality is not conferred upon anyone until the Book of Life is opened; at the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium.
The ideas of people going to heaven, or being immortal along with mortal humans, are not Biblical and can never happen.
Immortality is not conferred upon anyone until the Book of Life is opened; at the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium.
The ideas of people going to heaven, or being immortal along with mortal humans, are not Biblical and can never happen.
I have one more question, if I may. If one is struggling with depression and dies in this state (or God forbid, kills themself), do they also get blotted out as not being able to overcome? It seems like compounding sadness. First the depression and then failing life in this age and the next.
Sorry if the question is a dumb one.
Now I'm confused. I thought believers had their new bodies and lived on the new earth during the millennium.
Your view can be dangerous, if found to be false.....because one has to die before it can be verified, and there is no repentance after the grave.Immortality is not conferred upon anyone until the Book of Life is opened; at the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium.
The ideas of people going to heaven, or being immortal along with mortal humans, are not Biblical and can never happen.
No christian is in the dark about anything. "But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness" (1Thes5:4) " I am sending you to them to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those sanctified by faith in Me.’ " (acts26:18)The tragedy is that most Christians are in the dark
Lots of confusion among those who haven't read the scriptures properly, or just been taught false theories.Now I'm confused. I thought believers had their new bodies and lived on the new earth during the millennium.
The Bible does teach of a rapture...when that is I do not know, but Jesus also said to one of the men dying on the cross next to him that he would be with him in Paradise that dayThe teaching that some will receive spiritual bodies, immortality; at or even before Jesus Returns, is not scriptural.
Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:54-56....when this perishable body has been clothed with immortality; THEN this prophecy will come true: Death where is your victory, where is your sting?
We know that death will happen during the Millennium, Isaiah 65:20 and how the armies of the world are killed by God; Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:21
Death is only, finally done away with when the New Jerusalem and God Himself, comes to the earth. Revelation 21:1-7
No scripture says anyone receives immortality, or a glorified body before the GWT Judgment and the Book of Life is opened. We have the Promise of it, John 3:16, but not the reality until Gods plan for mankind is all over.
People may think verses like Philippians 3:21 does, Paul doesn't say when, but that verse does go on to say; to make all things subject to Himself. Which happens after the final battle against evil. Revelation 20:7-10
Millions have been deceived by the false teaching of a ‘rapture to heaven’, or immortality for some in the Millennium. this will not happen, it is illogical and conflicts with God’s Plan for mankind.
There is no easy path out from the testing times ahead. 1 Peter 4:12
We must stand firm in our faith and trust in the Lord for His protection. Joel 2:2-32, Acts 2:21
! Thess 4:17 does say that the Lord will lift up His people, those who remain alive, to where He is. Initially in the clouds, then into Jerusalem; on earth. Paralleled by Matthew 24:30-31The Bible does teach of a rapture...when that is I do not know, but Jesus also said to one of the men dying on the cross next to him that he would be with him in Paradise that day
Hmmm, interesting. Thanks. I don't spend much time worrying about when heaven is exactly, I trust God has it figured out, but what about the scripture of the rich man and Lazarus, who was poor and begged outside his gate? It says the rich man went to a place of torture, and Lazarus into Abraham's bosom, which may or may not be a metaphor, but regardless, it seems to be a place of comfort. It also seems that Lazarus was fully aware there, not sleeping, as the rich man ironically wound up begging for his assistsnce.! Thess 4:17 does say that the Lord will lift up His people, those who remain alive, to where He is. Initially in the clouds, then into Jerusalem; on earth. Paralleled by Matthew 24:30-31
Heaven is not mentioned there, or anywhere in the Bible as the destination for humans.
Re; the thief on the cross, it does seem like Jesus meant that Day, but a correct placement of punctuation makes the meaning of the present day, he was informed that he would eventually enter Paradise.
Proved by how Jesus was in the tomb for the next 3 days.
The teaching that some will receive spiritual bodies, immortality; at or even before Jesus Returns, is not scriptural.
Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:54-56....when this perishable body has been clothed with immortality; THEN this prophecy will come true: Death where is your victory, where is your sting?
We know that death will happen during the Millennium, Isaiah 65:20 and how the armies of the world are killed by God; Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:21
Death is only, finally done away with when the New Jerusalem and God Himself, comes to the earth. Revelation 21:1-7
No scripture says anyone receives immortality, or a glorified body before the GWT Judgment and the Book of Life is opened. We have the Promise of it, John 3:16, but not the reality until Gods plan for mankind is all over.
People may think verses like Philippians 3:21 does, Paul doesn't say when, but that verse does go on to say; to make all things subject to Himself. Which happens after the final battle against evil. Revelation 20:7-10
Millions have been deceived by the false teaching of a ‘rapture to heaven’, or immortality for some in the Millennium. this will not happen, it is illogical and conflicts with God’s Plan for mankind.
There is no easy path out from the testing times ahead. 1 Peter 4:12
We must stand firm in our faith and trust in the Lord for His protection. Joel 2:2-32, Acts 2:21
There is a difference between receiving our new spiritual bodies and immortality. You are conflating the two.The teaching that some will receive spiritual bodies, immortality; at or even before Jesus Returns, is not scriptural.
Then you believe that Jesus was deceiving us when He told us about the rich man and Lazarus?There is no consciousness after death. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 Our next conscious moment, will be as we stand before God sitting on His Great White Throne, judging everyone who has ever lived.
I agree. You need to watch that.Typical conclusion jumping!
What I think and believe, is the dead know nothing, Eccl 9:5-6, Job 14:10-12, +In any case, it seems to me this shows people who love God go to a good place, a place of comfort , immediately after death, although some verses say sleeping. What do you think?
Eternal life, means never dying. We still die, saved and unsaved, but those who have become faithful Christians, the Promise of immortality is theirs.I hope you know, the mainstream of Christianity would challenge most of your post. The title, "Eternal life when?" The bible is clear, the moment one is born again ,they pass from eternal death to eternal life.
But Paul never says such a thing at all. He says how the Lord's people who remain will be gathered to Him, on earth; 1 Thess 4:17, Matthew 24:31Paul makes that clear too: we all (those who are born again and in right standing with God) will receive their resurrection body (a forever body - an eternal body) at the time of the pretrib rapture of the church.
As I do read what God has planned for His people in the end times, I look forward to it all with great anticipation, as He blesses and protects His people.I really wonder why people insist on going through this time when God has made a way of escape. Well, some do: I have chatted with several. All I can say is, I hope your theory works out for you.
Readers there is not scripture that says God will take any human to heaven. But there are 6 verses of the Words of Jesus, that tell us such a thing is impossible.Readers, there are very good reasons why the church in general BELIEVES in the pretrib rapture; it is in scripture. You CAN believe it.
I do not believe that. A Spiritual body has to be immortal.There is a difference between receiving our new spiritual bodies and immortality. You are conflating the two.
There are plenty of weird notions out there!Do you know of anyone here (or anywhere else) who teaches that any in the church will receive their new bodies before the Lord returns? I know of no one.
Really? What's your address then?As for immortality - I have been raised with Christ and am even now seated with Him in Heaven. I have believed on Him and have therefore, according to Jesus, passed from death to life and will never again come in condemnation.
Thanks for the tissues!Obviously - I can't speak for you. Perhaps you, like many who post here, are hoping that you will be saved in the end if you manage to keep your nose clean.
I take the Word in all of the Bible and it never conflicts. It is only people who have fanciful ideas of what they want God to do for them, that have to say certain verses are out of context, or don't mean what they actually say.So - you are taking the word of the preacher in Ecclesiastes over that of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I have nothing to do with SDA's or Holy rollers.Your position is one that is usually associated with the old hard line SDA heresy.
But it often comes up here from people who want to teach that salvation is based on our works (although they would deny it vigorously) and or that we can lose our salvation if we fail to live up to their standards.
(By the way - do you identify with "Holiness Pentecostals" who teach salvation through the achieving of a certain holiness? That wouldn't surprise me.)
You did not respond to the scripture about the rich man and Lazarus.What I think and believe, is the dead know nothing, Eccl 9:5-6, Job 14:10-12, +
The next conscious moment for dead people, will be when they stand before God in Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15
Eternal life, means never dying. We still die, saved and unsaved, but those who have become faithful Christians, the Promise of immortality is theirs.
The majority of Christianity is wrong in the false belief of anyone going to heaven, dead or alive.
But Paul never says such a thing at all. He says how the Lord's people who remain will be gathered to Him, on earth; 1 Thess 4:17, Matthew 24:31
Paul prophesies about the change that will happen to those worthy, dead and alive, at the GWT Judgment, AFTER the Millennium. 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, Revelation 21:1-7
As I do read what God has planned for His people in the end times, I look forward to it all with great anticipation, as He blesses and protects His people.
Readers there is not scripture that says God will take any human to heaven. But there are 6 verses of the Words of Jesus, that tell us such a thing is impossible.
The 'rapture to heaven' theory is in fact, a Satanic lie of the worst kind because many have fallen for it. To their discredit and to their serious confusion when it doesn't happen.
With all due respect - that's not a logical statement.I do not believe that. A Spiritual body has to be immortal.
I asked for an example of someone who had that particular weird notion. Got any?There are plenty of weird notions out there!
No it isn't - as I have demonstrated from scripture.The Bible is clear: Only when the Book of Life is opened, is immortality given to those whose names are found in it.
With Him in glory just like I said.Really? What's your address then?
Not like all humans apparently since I'm also living in Kingdom of God right now.No, you just live here on earth like all of us humans.
Not presumptuous at all since you claim to be not yet saved.Questioning my salvation, is a very pretentious and accusing thing to do. You don't know me and just because I point out scriptures that conflict with your beliefs; does that make me an apostate?
"Many of them said, “He has a demon, and is insane; why listen to him?” John 0:20I take the Word in all of the Bible and it never conflicts. It is only people who have fanciful ideas of what they want God to do for them, that have to say certain verses are out of context, or don't mean what they actually say.
That's mostly a good thing - although there's nothing wrong with a little shouting, jumping and rolling at times.I have nothing to do with SDA's or Holy rollers.
Amen to that.Our 'works' are what we will receive rewards for. Our Salvation is a given, as long as we maintain our faith and trust in the Lord.
I think you should consider that Paul had Jesus Christ in him and speaking in him while he walked on earth as all believers do. We also have the inner man, the spiritual man while here on earth. yes, we wait for the redemption of our bodies and to have a glorified body. But the spiritual man is inward at conversion and Christ dwells in every heart at faith. Jesus also said he is in us and we in him in John 15.Paul WILL be with Christ. He doesn't say when that will happen.
If you think it happened immediately after Paul died, then you contradict many scriptures.
The dead no know nothing about what continues to happen in this world once they are dead.What I think and believe, is the dead know nothing, Eccl 9:5-6, Job 14:10-12, +
The next conscious moment for dead people, will be when they stand before God in Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15
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