Then why so much opposition each time I point to the teaching of our Shepherd -- Jesus Christ?
Simple, because you use his words against themselves and thus oppose the very message Jesus gave. The message was not follow the commandments given Moses. Jesus did not equate his message, his bread, his food, with that of Moses. But you do. Your opposition is created by your pointing to the Words Jesus gave and teaching very falsely that his words are leading all back to Moses.
John 6
29Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” 30So they said to him, “Then what sign do you do, that we may see and believe you? What work do you perform? 31Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’” 32Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”
35Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.
39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
In John 6:29-40 Messiah Yeshua testified and witnessed that the work of God is to believe in his words, in the Messiah’s Torah (instructions). So they rightly ask, what about Moses?? Does what Yeshua do and say equal what Moses said and did? And Yeshua said his Torah was ‘the true’ Torah to be eaten and drank.
If the Torah of Yeshua equates to the same instructions as the Torah given Moses, why did Yeshua contrast them here instead of coorelate them? If the Spirit in Yeshua was teaching all to ‘follow him’ into the true observance of the Torah given Moses, why did he contrast his food with the food given Moses?
This is the work of God, that you believe in him who he has sent. Moses did NOT give the bread from heaven, but Yeshua IS given this bread. The bread given Moses does not bring life, it was not the true bread. The bread Yeshua gives is ‘true’ and brings life.
If we are going to be honest with the text here we have to admit that Messiah Yeshua is contrasting that which was given Moses with what he is bring to the world.
Messiah Yeshua testified and witnessed that he himself came down from heaven to do the will of God. Which was and is to look upon and believe in Messiah Yeshua for the forgiveness of our sins and the redemption of our souls.
Messiah Yeshua testified and witnessed that the will of the father is for everyone to look on the Son and believe in him. All who do will be forgiven and redeemed, forever.
And he contrasted this ‘food from heaven’ with the food given Moses. He did not correlate them.
Yeshua offered eternal life to all who believe in him. The Jews said in essence “correlate your words with Moses”. But Yeshua magnified and glorified himself over that which was given Moses instead of correlating his teaching.
And then Yeshua elaborates even further….
John 6
43Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves.44No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.45It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me—46not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father.47Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
48I am the bread of life.49Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.50This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”
53So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.54Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.55For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.56Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.57As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me.
58This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate, and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”
The Father draws all to the Messiah. Because it is Yeshua that gives life. Nowhere here do we find even the notion that Messiah’s Torah is to be returning us to the Torah given Moses.
This last statement here (V.58) is the real kicker. We know that the bread of life are the actions and words of Yeshua. Likewise, the bread our fathers ate is not merely manna, but the actions and words accomplished through Moses. When Yeshua offered the crowds bread that never rots and brings life eternal they wanted to correlate this teaching with that given in the Tanakh. But instead Yeshua contrasted his Torah with the Torah of the fathers.
The bread that comes down from heaven and gives eternal life to the world ‘is NOT’ like the bread the fathers ate, because they died.
Whoever feeds on the Torah of Messiah will live forever. Whoever feeds solely on the bread the fathers ate, die. Because the Torah of Moses does not contain in it the way to eternal life, but pointed to ‘the Way’. It points to the way, Messiah Yeshua, who comes and gives us what we were lacking. Namely life through grace by faith in Yeshua’s Torah and the indwelling of the Spirit to lead us into all things, forever.
John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Even John understood and taught this truth.
John 3
25 A discussion arose between some of Yochanan’s talmidim and a Judean about ceremonial washing; 26 and they came to Yochanan and said to him, “Rabbi, you know the man who was with you on the other side of the Yarden, the one you spoke about? Well, here he is, immersing; and everyone is going to him!”
27 Yochanan answered, “No one can receive anything unless it has been given to him from Heaven. 28 You yourselves can confirm that I did not say I was the Messiah, but that I have been sent ahead of him.
29 The bridegroom is the one who has the bride; but the bridegroom’s friend, who stands and listens to him, is overjoyed at the sound of the bridegroom’s voice. So this joy of mine is now complete.
30 He must become more important, while I become less important.
31 “He who comes from above is above all. He who is from the earth is from the earth and talks from an earthly point of view; he who comes from heaven is above all.
32 He testifies about what he has actually seen and heard, yet no one accepts what he says!
33 Whoever does accept what he says puts his seal on the fact that God is true, 34 because the one whom God sent speaks God’s words. For God does not give him the Spirit in limited degree — 35 the Father loves the Son and has put everything in his hands.
36 Whoever trusts in the Son has eternal life. But whoever disobeys the Son will not see that life but remains subject to God’s wrath.”
He who comes from above is above all. Yeshua is the ‘true’ food we are to eat. His words, following his actions. These are above the words and actions given as from the earth (Moses). Yeshua speaks about what he has actually seen and heard, from above! Which is why nobody from earth accepts what he says. Because he is not merely correlating his testimony with what was given Moses, he is above. He has completed the work and will of God. He has testified to all he actually seen and heard, from above.
Messiah Yeshua testified and witnessed that God is teaching everyone to come to Yeshua for eternal life. The bread we eat is not like the bread our fathers ate. What came down from heaven for them sustained them for a time, but still allowed them to die. What comes down from heaven for us now, if eaten will sustain us forever. Many seem to want to suppose that Yeshua was leading all back to the fathers bread, as if he is testifying and witnessing the Torah of Moses. But it’s the other way around, Yeshua is testified and witnessed by the Torah given Moses. Messiah does not compare his food (Torah) with Moses’ as ‘the true’ food if the bread the fathers ate was to be fed to us for life.
My words…..the true food…..not like the food Moses fed…..
Bob, you may point to the words of Jesus but you do not hold his message, as stated above. Your teaching is like one who quotes Exodus 8:19, Exodus 31:18, Deuteronomy 9:10, and Luke 11:20 trying to imply that God has a physical body. And, every time you oppose this 'truth' your opposition is with God's Word. God has a finger. This is the type of foundation you have with your message that Jesus leads people back to Moses. All you have are out of context quotes. Your own message is in opposition to the words of Jesus. A man, misusing and misunderstanding the Law, and the testimony of Messiah. As proved by Jesus very words. You can NOT prove your teaching with the FULL context of Jesus words (commands). You must continually take sections of scripture and use them out of context to prove your false points.
Some of Yeshua's points from above:
32Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you,
it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you
the true bread from heaven. 33For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
58This is the bread that came down from heaven,
not like the bread the fathers ate, and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”
Now Bob, why are you not leading people to the bread from heaven? Why would you point people to a bread that if eaten will NEVER bring us life? Please don't use the Holy Commands of God against his children by pointing them to laws that deal with sins and death when Jesus has released us from those things through his sacrifice and subsequent giving of the very Spirit of God to dwell with us forever. THAT is true bread to feed on. Bob, point them to life, not death and sins. THAT is what Jesus did. Why aren't you doing the same?
