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absolutely. i dropped out of harvard before graduating. it was a terrible mistake. there and phillips exeter academy. i knew many of these silly people in the school due to nepotism. you're right. sour grapes. i didn't have the coin to purchase my own degree.

Yeah. Uhh Huhh. Right...
 
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what i don't want is a person who's ambition overreaches their curiosity. palin has proved herself to be average joe six pack in her exposure to world events, our own judicial history, international affairs, current national political events, and so on. like w, she is not in the least bit curious about our world, just her own and her influence on it. w at least had the good taste to admit he doesn't read and isn't interested. palin pretended she did, but doesn't have enough exposure to what adults peruse that wish to remain informed to be able to name a single source. the term "joe six pack" isn't describing the aberration you say your father-in-law is, but the everyman, the regular johnny lunch bucket. is it true that a few folks out there remain powerfully engaged in the political and legislative fray while working blue collar type jobs? of course. is it the norm? of course not. does the monicker "joe six pack" ellicit the image of this blue collar elite you describe? seriously. does it?
your argument doesn't address what palin is suggesting, and if she is representative of the type of person she thinks should hold high public office, i submit her inability to converse on a very basic political level as evidence that she is badly mistaken. this is ambition overtaking ability.

I am sure she would be just fine once she is exposed to those issues on a regular basis. You seem to forget she has a busy home life ..5 kids..on top of being the chief executive of a state. I would like to see Joe Biden being a mom of 5 kids while being a Chief executive and see how much of an expert he would be on affairs that he has little exposure too..such as writing a budget for a State or handling appointments/personnel issues, etc. He can't even prevent gaffes and he has had the relatively easy job as a Senator. I am sure she is well versed on the issues that she confronted on a daily basis in Alaska.
 
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This would be further evidence that Obama made it through the top schools in the country on his own merits. To transfer mid degree to Columbia, one would have to show excellent academic performance at Occidental. Also to claim that his entry into Harvard was through legacy would be absurd seeing he graduated with the highest honors attainable.

I would say that Bush is above average, however he is certainly not brilliant. He graduated from Yale without receiving a single A, with a middling grade point average. He was rejected from law school with far less prestige than Harvard, but somehow managed to get into the Harvard MBA program even with his poor record from Yale. I think the same can be said of Mccain and Biden, above average bot not exactly intellectually brilliant. Palin on the other hand, would be just about average.

Not really. Especially if it is only Columbia University as opposed to Columbia College (one of several colleges at the university).

When I was at OXY ther was a 3/2 program in Physics where one could go to OXY for 3 years and then 2 at either Cal Tech or Columbia and end up with degrees from both schools. Only requirement was a B average in Math and Physics and a recomendation from one Prof. Rather average really. I'm pretty sure similar programs existed in other departments.

Nope a transfer from OXY to Columbia is no big deal.
 
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I am sure she would be just fine once she is exposed to those issues on a regular basis. You seem to forget she has a busy home life ..5 kids..on top of being the chief executive of a state. I would like to see Joe Biden being a mom of 5 kids while being a Chief executive and see how much of an expert he would be on affairs that he has little exposure too..such as writing a budget for a State or handling appointments/personnel issues, etc. He can't even prevent gaffes and he has had the relatively easy job as a Senator. I am sure she is well versed on the issues that she confronted on a daily basis in Alaska.

your sure? that's what you are going to vote for? you are giving her the excuse of being uninformed because she is a wife and mother? is that the message you want to give to all the women on this thread, that they are excused for being ignorant because they are mothers? does she have less exposure to the issues than you do? why can't she discuss them intelligently if she has as much exposure as you, or are you saying you can't, either? let her make her alaskan decisions for the people who's polls are plummetting on her, and let us get someone who is already engaged in the affairs of the nation as a whole.
 
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Elite =/= Elitist.

I want a President, A V.P. and for that matter every Senator and Congressman to be one of the elite. I don;t want any elitists.

Unfortunately it may be that there are more that are not truely elite but are elitists, but I can at least hope there are more elite.

I don't care if the President drinks beer. Actually since I'm a representitive of The Campaign for Real Ale Ii guess I'd prefer that they generally don't drink the weak watered down stuff that gets called beer here. (Actually the preceding is 90% tongue in cheek. I do think there is much better stuff and am known for showing up with a supply to prove it and allow others to drink well, but the only ones I tweek about this are friends.).

Actually if he drinks I'd prefer a President who knows fine wine, but still decides some of the time a beer is what he wants. But what is most important is that he does not look down his nose at those who prefer their beer or corn squeezins or even milk or lemonade. I want a President who can appreciate simple things, the things of 'the common man'.

In short elite, but not elitist.
 
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Not really. Especially if it is only Columbia University as opposed to Columbia College (one of several colleges at the university).

When I was at OXY ther was a 3/2 program in Physics where one could go to OXY for 3 years and then 2 at either Cal Tech or Columbia and end up with degrees from both schools. Only requirement was a B average in Math and Physics and a recomendation from one Prof. Rather average really. I'm pretty sure similar programs existed in other departments.

Nope a transfer from OXY to Columbia is no big deal.

assuming this is correct, and i will, how about the first african/american editor of the harvard law review? pretty good? no big deal?
 
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Elite =/= Elitist.

I want a President, A V.P. and for that matter every Senator and Congressman to be one of the elite. I don;t want any elitists.

Unfortunately it may be that there are more that are not truely elite but are elitists, but I can at least hope there are more elite.

I don't care if the President drinks beer. Actually since I'm a representitive of The Campaign for Real Ale Ii guess I'd prefer that they generally don't drink the weak watered down stuff that gets called beer here. (Actually the preceding is 90% tongue in cheek. I do think there is much better stuff and am known for showing up with a supply to prove it and allow others to drink well, but the only ones I tweek about this are friends.).

Actually if he drinks I'd prefer a President who knows fine wine, but still decides some of the time a beer is what he wants. But what is most important is that he does not look down his nose at those who prefer their beer or corn squeezins or even milk or lemonade. I want a President who can appreciate simple things, the things of 'the common man'.

In short elite, but not elitist.

i'm in general agreement here. does basketball qualify as a game of the regular joe? i like a candidate that can hit a 30 foot jumper while the cameras are rolling.
 
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your sure? that's what you are going to vote for? you are giving her the excuse of being uninformed because she is a wife and mother? is that the message you want to give to all the women on this thread, that they are excused for being ignorant because they are mothers? does she have less exposure to the issues than you do? why can't she discuss them intelligently if she has as much exposure as you, or are you saying you can't, either? let her make her alaskan decisions for the people who's polls are plummetting on her, and let us get someone who is already engaged in the affairs of the nation as a whole.

Who knows exactly how ignorant she is. I am saying she has 5 kids, a husband, and a state to run. I am sure she doesn't have as much free time to look into the issues as I do..a single guy
 
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He graduated from Columbia College. Secondly, he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law AND was editor of the most prestigious law reviews in the country. There is no question as to Obama's brilliance.


Not really. Especially if it is only Columbia University as opposed to Columbia College (one of several colleges at the university).

When I was at OXY ther was a 3/2 program in Physics where one could go to OXY for 3 years and then 2 at either Cal Tech or Columbia and end up with degrees from both schools. Only requirement was a B average in Math and Physics and a recomendation from one Prof. Rather average really. I'm pretty sure similar programs existed in other departments.

Nope a transfer from OXY to Columbia is no big deal.
 
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If she does not have the time and energy to become familiar with the issues, wouldn't that suggest that she may not be the best choice for vice president?


Who knows exactly how ignorant she is. I am saying she has 5 kids, a husband, and a state to run. I am sure she doesn't have as much free time to look into the issues as I do..a single guy
 
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He graduated from Columbia College. Secondly, he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law AND was editor of the most prestigious law reviews in the country. There is no question as to Obama's brilliance.

I did not question that, just that your statement that a transfer from OXY to Columbia indicated a great performance at OXY. It does not.

There are at least a half dozen small schools in the greater Los Angeles area that are good enough that a transwer from any one of them to just about anywhere in the country is not at all remarkable. OXY is one of them.
 
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I am sure she would be just fine once she is exposed to those issues on a regular basis.

Why do you assume this?

You seem to forget she has a busy home life ..5 kids..on top of being the chief executive of a state.

None of this will go away as Vice President or President.

I would like to see Joe Biden being a mom of 5 kids while being a Chief executive and see how much of an expert he would be on affairs that he has little exposure too..such as writing a budget for a State or handling appointments/personnel issues, etc. He can't even prevent gaffes and he has had the relatively easy job as a Senator.

Explain why a Senator's job is easy. This assumption seems odd.

Senator Biden is well known as a foreign policy expert. While he was in the Senate, his wife died and he was a single father for a while, yet he still managed to do his job. His personal issues do not seem to have impeded him.

Would you accept your doctor telling you he was not really up on the latest medical knowledge because he had a wife and 5 kids, but he was sure he could provide you good medical advice?

I am sure she is well versed on the issues that she confronted on a daily basis in Alaska.

Do you have any evidence of this?
 
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good plan, let's have people making law that don't know anything about it.

harriet myers, anyone?

Lawyers begetting lawyers? How about if we did make laws that had some basis in reality instead of 1200 page documents that not even the people voting for it understand all to increase the number of red light cameras allowed?

And, by the way, there was a 13th amendment passed by both houses but never fully ratified that would have barred lawyers, people with the ESQ after their names, and "titles of nobility" from being elected to the US congress or president. So, in the early 1800s there certainly was a fear of the "elite" being in power.

The reason that people get upset is that the term 'elitist' has been redefined (educated = elitists) and hijacked by the right to be portrayed as a bad thing. I would like an 'elitist' 'liberal' president (that is two bad words in one sentence).

So assuming you believe that Obama is an 'elitist' (as most republicans seem to think he is), what makes him an elitist?

Attitude and the company he strives to keep. Education has nothing to do with being an "elitist" because, as previously posted, there are many highly educated people and many brilliant people (because the two are not the same) that are completely down to earth. It's the attitude that (the general) you have the answers, that you are too good to wallow in the cubicle or punch a clock, and you should have other people pay you to do good things.

Elite can be a good thing, like the stewart quote (which was followed up with "If you do a good job, they may just carve your head into a mountain!") because we do want someone who believes they have what it takes to do the job, and most people don't have that. But elite can be pejorative if you wear that label and flaunt it.

this was nearly not the case. hamilton argued vehemently that only the elite should be able to vote, for they were the only ones able to understand what was at stake and they would be most affected by legislation. this was a lengthy debate that hamilton ultimately lost, but not without a fight.

remember, the founding fathers were some of the very richest and most "elite" people in the country, and they drafted a document that protected their own interests, most notably land ownership.

And they put it all on the line, sacrificed it all, and lost everything including their lives to form the country. Don't try to paint them as some standoffish bunch who thought they were better than everyone else.

Elite =/= Elitist.

I want a President, A V.P. and for that matter every Senator and Congressman to be one of the elite. I don;t want any elitists.

Unfortunately it may be that there are more that are not truely elite but are elitists, but I can at least hope there are more elite.

I don't care if the President drinks beer. Actually since I'm a representitive of The Campaign for Real Ale Ii guess I'd prefer that they generally don't drink the weak watered down stuff that gets called beer here. (Actually the preceding is 90% tongue in cheek. I do think there is much better stuff and am known for showing up with a supply to prove it and allow others to drink well, but the only ones I tweek about this are friends.).

Actually if he drinks I'd prefer a President who knows fine wine, but still decides some of the time a beer is what he wants. But what is most important is that he does not look down his nose at those who prefer their beer or corn squeezins or even milk or lemonade. I want a President who can appreciate simple things, the things of 'the common man'.

In short elite, but not elitist.
My favorite thing about obama was that he was an unapologetic smoker. (No, I'm not a smoker.) Then he gave that up for "image". What's that say?
 
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So what exactly makes Obama an elitist? No one appears to be able to answer it.

Lawyers begetting lawyers? How about if we did make laws that had some basis in reality instead of 1200 page documents that not even the people voting for it understand all to increase the number of red light cameras allowed?

And, by the way, there was a 13th amendment passed by both houses but never fully ratified that would have barred lawyers, people with the ESQ after their names, and "titles of nobility" from being elected to the US congress or president. So, in the early 1800s there certainly was a fear of the "elite" being in power.





Attitude and the company he strives to keep. Education has nothing to do with being an "elitist" because, as previously posted, there are many highly educated people and many brilliant people (because the two are not the same) that are completely down to earth. It's the attitude that (the general) you have the answers, that you are too good to wallow in the cubicle or punch a clock, and you should have other people pay you to do good things.

Elite can be a good thing, like the stewart quote (which was followed up with "If you do a good job, they may just carve your head into a mountain!") because we do want someone who believes they have what it takes to do the job, and most people don't have that. But elite can be pejorative if you wear that label and flaunt it.



And they put it all on the line, sacrificed it all, and lost everything including their lives to form the country. Don't try to paint them as some standoffish bunch who thought they were better than everyone else.


My favorite thing about obama was that he was an unapologetic smoker. (No, I'm not a smoker.) Then he gave that up for "image". What's that say?
 
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If she does not have the time and energy to become familiar with the issues, wouldn't that suggest that she may not be the best choice for vice president?

What? A woman can't have kids and a career, now?
 
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If she doesn't have time to become familiar with the issues, she doesn't have time to be vice president. It is not specific to having kids, for all we know she spends most of her time off hunting moose, it is about not having time to prepare to be vice president.

What? A woman can't have kids and a career, now?
 
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Since most people are unexceptional, no one is allowed to be exceptional.

Ironically, that's exactly where the left is leading us through the idea that some people are "too rich" and therefore need to pay more than the already over half of the total tax burden.
 
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Who knows exactly how ignorant she is. I am saying she has 5 kids, a husband, and a state to run. I am sure she doesn't have as much free time to look into the issues as I do..a single guy

so as we speak, you are better qualified to be v.p. than sarah palin? is that what you're saying? a single dude that spends an enormous amount of time on the internet has better qualifications than the governor of alaska, because she is too busy being a wife and mother also? if that is the case, she certainly doesn't have enough time to be potus, does she?

with a defense like this, who needs enemies!
 
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