Jo Cox, Labour MP, killed - fatal gunshot & stab wounds

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

I've never heard her name before today and I wish I had. She seems like she was a lovely woman who actually cared for the Syrians who are going through a genocide at the hands of Assad's regime and its allies. In an age where I feel like so many politicians don't go beyond lip service, she proved to be different and she will be missed.

"Ibrahim adds that the sadness expressed from people in Syria for a British MP is significant. He says: "It is quite surprising to see Syrians, from inside Syria, in a war-torn country, with limited access in a lot of its places to the outside world, tweeting and talking about a British MP who is half way across the world.


"This is especially because a lot of Syrians feel like they've been let down by the West and the international community for not taking enough action to stop the war in their country. So to see them mourning a western MP is quite a thing."

...."Jo Cox has not only had a clear point of view when it comes to Syria, she was listening, compassionate, and above all, she was fighting with us for the protection of civilians and justice in Syria."

..."She was one true advocate for the Syrian people. When Syrians think of a good British MP who we could always rely on, we think of Jo Cox."

'Jo Cox was stolen from us' - the outpouring of grief from Syria

 

[mindlight]

There are only a handful of Labour MPs who want to leave.

There are a large number of their traditional supporters who want to leave though (working class communities who blame Labour for immigration), but not so much Labour members. There are also the lefties of course, who think it's harder to fight capitalism in a capitalist club like the EU. But they're small in number.

There is a deep disconnect between many traditional working class Labour supporters and their actual MPs on BREXIT, the same disconnect exists in the other main establishment party - the Tories. Labour MPs have learnt that they are not electable if they take these peoples old style socialist positions on most things. But the anger and resentment of being ignored and marginalised is still a real force in British politics. The British political system has been very effective in recent years at eliminating even the language of discontent with the liberal direction it has chosen. But there are great many people who disagree with this direction who have no other way of expressing it than extremism. That does not make the murder of Jo Cox right of course. I disagreed with her politics, loved her Christian faith and supported her compassion towards immigrants. She was a mother and a wife and I think a friend to a great many also and a lot of people are crying about this. But there is a lesson here, the British people may be a lot more extreme in their views than many of its MPs are.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

"...is believed to have had long-term links with a hard-right group

Mr. Mair’s ties to “right wing extremism”

Nazi regalia and far-right literature

Not blaming you for this in particular...I know you didn't invent the terminology.

...but society really needs to re-think how they're defining "left" and "right"

...or scrap it altogether and start discussing it in a multi-dimensional sense like the picture shown below

I think using simply "Left" & "Right" becomes a way for people to employ "guilty by association" logic against their political rivals (by associating two groups who really have no business being associated together), or attempt to insulate their own group from criticism by using the logic of "well, you can't criticize my group for that, look at all that the right wing extremists from your side have done!"

 

[mindlight]

Seems he was a neoNazi, as to the posters claim about his Christianity it would be hard to justify murder from the bible.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...longtime-supporter-neo-nazi-national-alliance

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1205248049508044

 

[rambot]

It's pretty clear this was a Brexit issue right?
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/18/jo-co...raitors-freedom-for-britain-in-court-5952238/

I LOVE the "he's mentally ill" thing. A muslim extremist CANNOT be mentally ill. But a Britain first supporter MUST be if he's going to kill someone.

It's perverse that the so called ISIS/Hezbollah/Al-Queda (nevermind the hatred that exists between each of these groups) extremist wasn't dismissed as mentally ill with such speed and conviction.

 

[Goonie]

It's pretty clear this was a Brexit issue right?
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/18/jo-co...raitors-freedom-for-britain-in-court-5952238/

I LOVE the "he's mentally ill" thing. A muslim extremist CANNOT be mentally ill. But a Britain first supporter MUST be if he's going to kill someone.

It's perverse that the so called ISIS/Hezbollah/Al-Queda (nevermind the hatred that exists between each of these groups) extremist wasn't dismissed as mentally ill.

Indeed, the perpetrator of the Orlando massacre declares it was done on behalf of ISIS, and mental illness is immediately ruled out. Whilst Thomas Mair declares in court "death to traitors, freedom for Britain" and immediately he is dismissed as mentally ill. On a side note, I do think that mental illness played a significant part in Thursday's tragedy, but the contrast between the two incidents is interesting.

 

[rambot]

Indeed, the perpetrator of the Orlando massacre declares it was done on behalf of ISIS, and mental illness is immediately ruled out. Whilst Thomas Mair declares in court "death to traitors, freedom for Britain" and immediately he is dismissed as mentally ill. On a side note, I do think that mental illness played a significant part in Thursday's tragedy, but the contrast between the two incidents is interesting.

Frankly, I think mental illness plays a role in every single murder that occurs.

What distresses me is how groups are SO willing to dismiss killings for certain reasons and get all riled up for others. To me, that attitude is nothing but attempts at self affirmation under the guise of "innocent until proven guilty".

 

[rambot]

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[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

In court, he said, "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain," when asked his name and other identifying information.

According to the prosecution’s summary, Mair said a variation of “Britain first”, “Keep Britain independent”, “Britain always comes first”, and “This is for Britain” as he launched the attack on Cox, who was killed on the way to her constituency surgery in Birstall on Thursday.

Murder suspect in Jo Cox case 'told police he was political activist'

http://heatst.com/uk/justice-first-...killer-should-not-be-discussed-in-parliament/

Ben Abdallah didn't witness the entire attack and he went inside his cafe (meaning he might not have been able to hear anything besides something as loud as a gunshot anyway). On the other hand, 1 named witness says he heard the terrorist say "Britain First" or "Put Britain first" while yet another named witness heard him say, "Britain First":

Graeme Howard, 38, said,“He was shouting ‘Britain first’ when he was doing it and being arrested. He was pinned down by two police officers and she was taken away in an ambulance."

Far-Right Britain First Party Distressed to Be Linked to Killer Who Shouted “Britain First”

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

I LOVE the "he's mentally ill" thing. A muslim extremist CANNOT be mentally ill. But a Britain first supporter MUST be if he's going to kill someone.

Only a clinical psychologist after examination can diagnose mental illness, but a man who can't give his own name - it does at least raise questions about his fitness to stand trial.

 

[Goonie]

Only a clinical psychologist after examination can diagnose mental illness, but a man who can't give his own name - it does at least raise questions about his fitness to stand trial.

And the judge ordered an assessment, but would you be saying the same if he had declared he'd done it for ISIS? He took the first public opportunity to give his motivation.

 

[fat wee robin]

The more I learn about her, the sadder I become.


"While I am a huge fan of President Obama [...], on Syria I believe both President Obama and the Prime Minister made the biggest misjudgement of their time in office when they put Syria on the 'too-difficult' pile and instead of engaging fully, withdrew and put their faith in a policy of containment. This judgement made by both leaders for different reasons will, I believe, be judged harshly by history and has been nothing short of a foreign policy disaster."

(Also talks about sending air drops to besieged areas in Syria (nearly all besieged by Assad/allies), making the consequences for bombing civilians greater, imposing fresh sanctions on Russia if directly involved in airstrikes against Syrian civilians, collecting evidence for war crime charges against the Syrian regime, helping refugees find safety, and accepting unaccompanied refugee children.)

UK, you lost a person who sounds like an almost-too-good-to-be-true leader. I am sorry for your loss. I am sorry for the world's loss.

I know a great deal about UK politics ,and people and you are milking this situation which is not quite what you want it to be .I am putting you on ignore as I so profoundly
disagree with you on Syria .

 

[fat wee robin]

Horrible. Prayers.

I'm confused though, and I'm not trying to be funny. I thought guns were illegal in the UK? Are there instances where people are allowed to have handguns there?

There is much about this story which does not add up . Contradictions everywhere .

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

I know a great deal about UK politics ,and people and you are milking this situation which is not quite what you want it to be .I am putting you on ignore as I so profoundly
disagree with you on Syria .

lol and you find the need to tell me because....? I don't really care about people who disagree with stopping a genocide putting me on ignore.

Husband of Jo Cox tweeted:


How dare he mention one of the biggest issues she was concerned about possibly due to which she was assassinated by a terrorist.

 

[fat wee robin]

Yep, she was a lovely woman who was a very strong supporter of helping bring in Syrian refugees and of the "Stay in" movement in the upcoming BREXIT vote/referendum. Likely a deranged nationalist anti-refugee/immigrant RWer here given his statements as he attacked.

I note how you quickly assume your own predjudices here in 'assuming ' .

By calling the opposition, who simply did not agree with her on staying in the European Union , Racists and Fascists ,she brought into the discussion a very negative energy .
She also wanted to go bombing again in Syria ,which would have meant troups and bloodshed ,and the UK ,once again interfering in an agressive manner, in the internal politics , of a foreign country .
People who are more aware ,know how badly this kind of thing has ended up ,so many times before .

 

[fat wee robin]

This is truly amazing, reading the reactions to this event as compared to the overall reaction expressed in regard to the Orlando shooting.



So this guy is obviously a right-winger, representative of right-wingers and their hatred for refugees and immigrants because someone said they heard him shout Britain First. Yet when it was reported by a survivor of the Orlando shootings the killer was shouting Allah Ackbar as he gunned down over a hundred people in a gay nightclub, the reaction was we didn't hear it on the 9-11 recording so it never happened. The Orlando shooter called 9-11 and declared his allegiance to the Islamic State, and the reaction here, and of the liberal/progressive left in general, was to blame Christians, blame Republicans, blame anyone and anything other than Islam because no true Muslim ever commits any violent act.

But hey, some guy named Asa Winstanley said on Twitter this was right-wing racist attack, so it must be true. Because Twitter.



Oh, this is an act of terror? Funny how it took no time at all for you to label this single event as terrorism, while in response to the Orlando shootings your response was to claim with absolute certainty there was no connection to ISIS and therefore no connection to Islamic terrorism. As if you could possibly have a shred of evidence to support that claim.

This event was a murder carried out by a man against a single victim. Yet the immediate response is right-wing racist politically motivated terrorism. While the Orlando shooter was just "angry and confused." Of course Donald Trump is the real threat, not guys like the Orlando shooter, because Trump is going to "murder family members in cold blood."

As if the Orlando shooter, a Muslim motivated by radical Islam, really meant to bring them flowers. But he was just confused.



Why not? That was the immediate go-to reaction in response to Orlando. A Muslim brutally murders 49 people and wounds over 50 others in the name of Allah and ISIS, and in response every liberal Democrat starts foaming at the mouth about gun control. With, of course, complete disregard to reality and the facts of the case.



You have your head buried so far in the leftist ideological sand you can no longer see the reality of anything. Groups such as ISIS are by definition tribalist. Dedicate a moment or two to fact-check what the term ISIL, as so respectfully employed by our President, actually means, what it actually refers to. Radical Islam is by brutal practice xenophobic. Progressivism is by practice and history totalitarian. You are discussing a brand of right-wing nationalism which exist only in your mind.



Unbelievable. Stunningly unbelievable. But standard. Ignore the expressed ideology which leads people like Omar Mateen and the San Bernardino happy couple to savagely murder the innocent; friends, members of families, coworkers. Ignore the ideology which inspires two British Muslims to hack a British soldier to death in the street in broad daylight. Ignore the ideology which both inspires and promotes a "Kill the Gays" mandate. No. Be afraid of an inanimate object.

The logic expressed in your comment is astounding because there is no logic present. Just the standard liberal/progressive wail to abolish the Second Amendment.



No. He is because someone on Twitter said he was. Apparently that is all the proof required.



Is that like shouting "racist," or "homophobe," or "bigot" so often the terms lose all meaning?



Is that why this is such a tragedy? Because she was a bleeding heart in favor of flooding Britain, and by extension the West, with untold thousands of refugees operating under the policy of "no-true-Muslim?"

True, it is sad for her family. But when Kate Steinle was savagely murdered I didn't see such wailing about how the world lost a voice for this, that, or the other thing. The commentary primarily centered around defense of her killer. If the liberal/progressive left finds this event sad it is directly connected to the political policies the victim expressed, a tenet which by default implies her life was somehow more valuable than, say, a woman killed by an illegal immigrant holding several felony convictions who had previously been deported from the US five times.

Yes one would think a christian site would be less manipulated by those whose intentions are to do just that .
In France thee or four days ago a Moslem went to the home of two off duty police persons ,a man and a woman , and in front of their 3 year old son stabbed them both to death WITH KNIVES . Did you hear about it ? Is it on this website ? Why not I want to know if you are so diligent in gettign at the TRUTH ?

 

[fat wee robin]

Her poor children.

Yes, her poor family .

 

[mindlight]

Only a clinical psychologist after examination can diagnose mental illness, but a man who can't give his own name - it does at least raise questions about his fitness to stand trial.

Can't we just call evil by its name. Rationalising it away as some kind of mental illness is a cop out.

 

[rambot]

Only a clinical psychologist after examination can diagnose mental illness, but a man who can't give his own name - it does at least raise questions about his fitness to stand trial.

Can't. Now THAT is a presumption. Chooses NOT to, that's more precise.

 

[nightflight]

It's pretty clear this was a Brexit issue right?
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/18/jo-co...raitors-freedom-for-britain-in-court-5952238/

I LOVE the "he's mentally ill" thing. A muslim extremist CANNOT be mentally ill. But a Britain first supporter MUST be if he's going to kill someone.

It's perverse that the so called ISIS/Hezbollah/Al-Queda (nevermind the hatred that exists between each of these groups) extremist wasn't dismissed as mentally ill with such speed and conviction.

Wasn't this guy mentally ill though, as in treatment, medication, etc.?