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Jo Cox, Labour MP, killed - fatal gunshot & stab wounds

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...but you can't discount what the neo-Nazis are today either. They still have the antisemitic views of the original Nazis...however, they're very much pro-socialism, anti-capitalism, pro-union, and in favor of expansive safety nets, as well as being against privatization of banks. If you read any of their literature or propaganda materials, it's pretty evident, they have more in common with ultra-left Americans than they do with ultra-right Americans. (if we ignore the racial undertones and just focus on government policies and the views on the role of government)
The contradiction in that view is that, typically, support for socialism (safety nets etc) is based on a belief in egalitarianism. Racism is quite clearly at odds with egalitarianism.

I'm not doubting you, they may well exist. But they're an outlier, who are confused, and certainly do not represent the view of modern day facists, or those from history.

And that's not a No true Scotsman. It's like finding a Madagascan tribe who wear kilts and drink a lot, and pointing out that they're not really Scots!
 
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She grew up in the local area, in the town of Heckmondwike. Her 42nd birthday was next Wednesday.

Her father, Gordon, worked in a toothpaste and hairspray factory while her mother, Jean, was a school secretary, according to the Yorkshire Post.

....She said: “I never really grew up being political or Labour. It kind of came at Cambridge where it was just a realisation that where you were born mattered. That how you spoke mattered, who you knew mattered.

“I didn’t really speak right or knew the right people. I spent the summers packing toothpaste at a factory working where my dad worked and everyone else had gone on a gap year! To be honest my experience at Cambridge really knocked me for about five years.”


Jo Cox: An MP Who “Believed In A Better World” And Fought For It

Some politicians in the US try to appeal to the masses saying they weren't politicians like the others. If only they were more like Jo Cox in their beliefs and actions. I'm saddened that it took her death for so many, including myself, to learn about her. She might not say outrageous things like Trump that get him attention, but she was far worthier of being known internationally.
 
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Extreme parties gain support by playing on people's fears and angers. That's why you find them attacking capitalism, foreigners, people of different race or religion, bosses, politicians, police, the lot. That's a mix-and-match of political targets which outwardly may seem Left or Right.

You need to look closer up. If they are driving class war based on Marxist economics they are Left. If they are driving race war based on xenophobia they are Right. If they ever came to power you would be able to tell them by their friends and their enemies.
 
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This is truly amazing, reading the reactions to this event as compared to the overall reaction expressed in regard to the Orlando shooting.

Yep, she was a lovely woman who was a very strong supporter of helping bring in Syrian refugees and of the "Stay in" movement in the upcoming BREXIT vote/referendum. Likely a deranged nationalist anti-refugee/immigrant RWer here given his statements as he attacked.

So this guy is obviously a right-winger, representative of right-wingers and their hatred for refugees and immigrants because someone said they heard him shout Britain First. Yet when it was reported by a survivor of the Orlando shootings the killer was shouting Allah Ackbar as he gunned down over a hundred people in a gay nightclub, the reaction was we didn't hear it on the 9-11 recording so it never happened. The Orlando shooter called 9-11 and declared his allegiance to the Islamic State, and the reaction here, and of the liberal/progressive left in general, was to blame Christians, blame Republicans, blame anyone and anything other than Islam because no true Muslim ever commits any violent act.

But hey, some guy named Asa Winstanley said on Twitter this was right-wing racist attack, so it must be true. Because Twitter.

As well as being a brutal cold blooded murder, early indications are that it was a politically motivated act of terror.

Oh, this is an act of terror? Funny how it took no time at all for you to label this single event as terrorism, while in response to the Orlando shootings your response was to claim with absolute certainty there was no connection to ISIS and therefore no connection to Islamic terrorism. As if you could possibly have a shred of evidence to support that claim.

This event was a murder carried out by a man against a single victim. Yet the immediate response is right-wing racist politically motivated terrorism. While the Orlando shooter was just "angry and confused." Of course Donald Trump is the real threat, not guys like the Orlando shooter, because Trump is going to "murder family members in cold blood."

As if the Orlando shooter, a Muslim motivated by radical Islam, really meant to bring them flowers. But he was just confused.

Could we perhaps not make this about gun control?

Why not? That was the immediate go-to reaction in response to Orlando. A Muslim brutally murders 49 people and wounds over 50 others in the name of Allah and ISIS, and in response every liberal Democrat starts foaming at the mouth about gun control. With, of course, complete disregard to reality and the facts of the case.

Nationalism is a broad term. But the brand we're discussing is right wing. The sort of nationalism that is typically aligned with xenophobia and tribalism, and in extremes can become facism.

You have your head buried so far in the leftist ideological sand you can no longer see the reality of anything. Groups such as ISIS are by definition tribalist. Dedicate a moment or two to fact-check what the term ISIL, as so respectfully employed by our President, actually means, what it actually refers to. Radical Islam is by brutal practice xenophobic. Progressivism is by practice and history totalitarian. You are discussing a brand of right-wing nationalism which exist only in your mind.

English people need to become more afraid of guns I think.

Unbelievable. Stunningly unbelievable. But standard. Ignore the expressed ideology which leads people like Omar Mateen and the San Bernardino happy couple to savagely murder the innocent; friends, members of families, coworkers. Ignore the ideology which inspires two British Muslims to hack a British soldier to death in the street in broad daylight. Ignore the ideology which both inspires and promotes a "Kill the Gays" mandate. No. Be afraid of an inanimate object.

The logic expressed in your comment is astounding because there is no logic present. Just the standard liberal/progressive wail to abolish the Second Amendment.

The shooter/stabber Thomas Mair does not have to be "charged" yet to be a right-wing nationalist.

No. He is because someone on Twitter said he was. Apparently that is all the proof required.

But if you shout 'BREAKING POINT!!1!' enough times, I don't think you can be that surprised when someone breaks.

Is that like shouting "racist," or "homophobe," or "bigot" so often the terms lose all meaning?

Based off of the fact that she is left wing, pro-refugee, anti-Brexit...

Is that why this is such a tragedy? Because she was a bleeding heart in favor of flooding Britain, and by extension the West, with untold thousands of refugees operating under the policy of "no-true-Muslim?"

True, it is sad for her family. But when Kate Steinle was savagely murdered I didn't see such wailing about how the world lost a voice for this, that, or the other thing. The commentary primarily centered around defense of her killer. If the liberal/progressive left finds this event sad it is directly connected to the political policies the victim expressed, a tenet which by default implies her life was somehow more valuable than, say, a woman killed by an illegal immigrant holding several felony convictions who had previously been deported from the US five times.
 
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Unbelievable. Stunningly unbelievable. But standard. Ignore the expressed ideology which leads people like Omar Mateen and the San Bernardino happy couple to savagely murder the innocent; friends, members of families, coworkers. Ignore the ideology which inspires two British Muslims to hack a British soldier to death in the street in broad daylight. Ignore the ideology which both inspires and promotes a "Kill the Gays" mandate. No. Be afraid of an inanimate object.

The logic expressed in your comment is astounding because there is no logic present. Just the standard liberal/progressive wail to abolish the Second Amendment.
If you weren't so far up your own behind you'd have understood that I meant that the people who ran to get in the way of the bullet should have been more afraid of the gun. The Brits have a habit of not thinking of their own wellbeing, witness the unarmed women who took on a man with a machete who had just murdered a service man just a couple of years ago. They stood there and argued with him. Who does that? They should have run and run and run. Yesterday, an unarmed man took down an armed man. Yes, they need to be more afraid of guns and not endanger themselves with such bravery.

But you just stay up there on your high horse. You must have a wonderful view up there, seeing everything and understanding nothing. :handok:
 
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Groups such as ISIS are by definition tribalist. Dedicate a moment or two to fact-check what the term ISIL, as so respectfully employed by our President, actually means, what it actually refers to. Radical Islam is by brutal practice xenophobic.
There are no points available for stating the obvious.
Progressivism is by practice and history totalitarian
Do you mean Progressivism, which is actually a thing, or do you have your own definition for that word? If the former, you're completely wrong, it's never been associated with totalitarianism. If the latter does it include communism?!
You are discussing a brand of right-wing nationalism which exist only in your mind.
If that were true, Jo Cox would be alive today
Is that like shouting "racist," or "homophobe," or "bigot" so often the terms lose all meaning?
No
 
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So this guy is obviously a right-winger, representative of right-wingers and their hatred for refugees and immigrants because someone said they heard him shout Britain First. Yet when it was reported by a survivor of the Orlando shootings the killer was shouting Allah Ackbar as he gunned down over a hundred people in a gay nightclub, the reaction was we didn't hear it on the 9-11 recording so it never happened. The Orlando shooter called 9-11 and declared his allegiance to the Islamic State, and the reaction here, and of the liberal/progressive left in general, was to blame Christians, blame Republicans, blame anyone and anything other than Islam because no true Muslim ever commits any violent act.

:clap:

You just touched on one of the biggest double-standards I have a problem with when it pertains to the left and their attitudes toward these types of attacks. They have no issues with going with the approach of "group associations" when it's something that can be used against a political opponent...yet, when the perp is someone from one the groups that they deem themselves the noble protectors of, then "everyone is an individual" and "we can't broad brush based on one person's actions"

These tweets pretty much sums up the attitudes of many on the left (not all obviously...but many)
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In a nutshell
"we believe that everyone is an individual, and that an individual's actions shouldn't be used to make assessments about the entire group
...unless that individual is against abortion
...or against gay marriage
...or owned a confederate flag belt buckle
In those cases, they are an accurate portrayal of everyone else in their respective groups"
 
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This is truly amazing, reading the reactions to this event as compared to the overall reaction expressed in regard to the Orlando shooting.



So this guy is obviously a right-winger, representative of right-wingers and their hatred for refugees and immigrants because someone said they heard him shout Britain First. Yet when it was reported by a survivor of the Orlando shootings the killer was shouting Allah Ackbar as he gunned down over a hundred people in a gay nightclub, the reaction was we didn't hear it on the 9-11 recording so it never happened. The Orlando shooter called 9-11 and declared his allegiance to the Islamic State, and the reaction here, and of the liberal/progressive left in general, was to blame Christians, blame Republicans, blame anyone and anything other than Islam because no true Muslim ever commits any violent act.

But hey, some guy named Asa Winstanley said on Twitter this was right-wing racist attack, so it must be true. Because Twitter.



Oh, this is an act of terror? Funny how it took no time at all for you to label this single event as terrorism, while in response to the Orlando shootings your response was to claim with absolute certainty there was no connection to ISIS and therefore no connection to Islamic terrorism. As if you could possibly have a shred of evidence to support that claim.

This event was a murder carried out by a man against a single victim. Yet the immediate response is right-wing racist politically motivated terrorism. While the Orlando shooter was just "angry and confused." Of course Donald Trump is the real threat, not guys like the Orlando shooter, because Trump is going to "murder family members in cold blood."

As if the Orlando shooter, a Muslim motivated by radical Islam, really meant to bring them flowers. But he was just confused.



Why not? That was the immediate go-to reaction in response to Orlando. A Muslim brutally murders 49 people and wounds over 50 others in the name of Allah and ISIS, and in response every liberal Democrat starts foaming at the mouth about gun control. With, of course, complete disregard to reality and the facts of the case.



You have your head buried so far in the leftist ideological sand you can no longer see the reality of anything. Groups such as ISIS are by definition tribalist. Dedicate a moment or two to fact-check what the term ISIL, as so respectfully employed by our President, actually means, what it actually refers to. Radical Islam is by brutal practice xenophobic. Progressivism is by practice and history totalitarian. You are discussing a brand of right-wing nationalism which exist only in your mind.



Unbelievable. Stunningly unbelievable. But standard. Ignore the expressed ideology which leads people like Omar Mateen and the San Bernardino happy couple to savagely murder the innocent; friends, members of families, coworkers. Ignore the ideology which inspires two British Muslims to hack a British soldier to death in the street in broad daylight. Ignore the ideology which both inspires and promotes a "Kill the Gays" mandate. No. Be afraid of an inanimate object.

The logic expressed in your comment is astounding because there is no logic present. Just the standard liberal/progressive wail to abolish the Second Amendment.



No. He is because someone on Twitter said he was. Apparently that is all the proof required.



Is that like shouting "racist," or "homophobe," or "bigot" so often the terms lose all meaning?



Is that why this is such a tragedy? Because she was a bleeding heart in favor of flooding Britain, and by extension the West, with untold thousands of refugees operating under the policy of "no-true-Muslim?"

True, it is sad for her family. But when Kate Steinle was savagely murdered I didn't see such wailing about how the world lost a voice for this, that, or the other thing. The commentary primarily centered around defense of her killer. If the liberal/progressive left finds this event sad it is directly connected to the political policies the victim expressed, a tenet which by default implies her life was somehow more valuable than, say, a woman killed by an illegal immigrant holding several felony convictions who had previously been deported from the US five times.
Well, the evidence so far about the bloke who has been arrested but who has not been convicted is that he had rather unpleasant links with a US neo-Nazi organisation.
 
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Yeah, but isn't the one on the left a kind of snarky response to requests for the Muslim community to take responsibility for various attacks, and not what they actually believe?
 
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Rest in peace Jo. :pray:
And yet you're posting there in that thread.
The disrespect there is understood now. It's only a little handful that derail the thread and defecate on the loss of a mother of three. While this one is let to go as it should because people asking it not to be derailed is being respected.

Enormously insightful.
I'm not so new. Keep track of that small handful. You'll probably notice that trend you're observing elsewhere in many other threads. I took a break for a long while from that kind of thing here. Topics being assaulted because that's what lives here. There is an ignore list in your profile section. You'll have to scroll to find the link. "people you ignore". If you care to go to the bother take that little handful you notice or even copy the names of and consider wiping them from the face of the earth. ;) Makes for much cleaner reading.

Bless you if you can stand it long enough . If you go to Christian's only forums you'll have a much better experience. Though wolves are there too. Just report, don't respond. People know them if someone has been here long enough. I'm sure you are picking up on it too.
Welcome. God bless and keep you.
 
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Her tweet from just yesterday included them:

I am sure her legacy will make them proud and will, along with their father, help lead them down the path of justice their mother took. Hopefully they will be able to retain their short precious memories of her as they grow older.

They're so little. It would be so awful if they were teens but it feels more unfair bc they didn't even get the time to make that many memories with her. People tell me my aunt was awesome & loved me a ton but I can't remember her at all bc she died when I was 3. It would be really nice if I could remember her. I feel so much for them.
 
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This is truly amazing, reading the reactions to this event as compared to the overall reaction expressed in regard to the Orlando shooting.



So this guy is obviously a right-winger, representative of right-wingers and their hatred for refugees and immigrants because someone said they heard him shout Britain First. Yet when it was reported by a survivor of the Orlando shootings the killer was shouting Allah Ackbar as he gunned down over a hundred people in a gay nightclub, the reaction was we didn't hear it on the 9-11 recording so it never happened. The Orlando shooter called 9-11 and declared his allegiance to the Islamic State, and the reaction here, and of the liberal/progressive left in general, was to blame Christians, blame Republicans, blame anyone and anything other than Islam because no true Muslim ever commits any violent act.

But hey, some guy named Asa Winstanley said on Twitter this was right-wing racist attack, so it must be true. Because Twitter.



Oh, this is an act of terror? Funny how it took no time at all for you to label this single event as terrorism, while in response to the Orlando shootings your response was to claim with absolute certainty there was no connection to ISIS and therefore no connection to Islamic terrorism. As if you could possibly have a shred of evidence to support that claim.

This event was a murder carried out by a man against a single victim. Yet the immediate response is right-wing racist politically motivated terrorism. While the Orlando shooter was just "angry and confused." Of course Donald Trump is the real threat, not guys like the Orlando shooter, because Trump is going to "murder family members in cold blood."

As if the Orlando shooter, a Muslim motivated by radical Islam, really meant to bring them flowers. But he was just confused.



Why not? That was the immediate go-to reaction in response to Orlando. A Muslim brutally murders 49 people and wounds over 50 others in the name of Allah and ISIS, and in response every liberal Democrat starts foaming at the mouth about gun control. With, of course, complete disregard to reality and the facts of the case.



You have your head buried so far in the leftist ideological sand you can no longer see the reality of anything. Groups such as ISIS are by definition tribalist. Dedicate a moment or two to fact-check what the term ISIL, as so respectfully employed by our President, actually means, what it actually refers to. Radical Islam is by brutal practice xenophobic. Progressivism is by practice and history totalitarian. You are discussing a brand of right-wing nationalism which exist only in your mind.



Unbelievable. Stunningly unbelievable. But standard. Ignore the expressed ideology which leads people like Omar Mateen and the San Bernardino happy couple to savagely murder the innocent; friends, members of families, coworkers. Ignore the ideology which inspires two British Muslims to hack a British soldier to death in the street in broad daylight. Ignore the ideology which both inspires and promotes a "Kill the Gays" mandate. No. Be afraid of an inanimate object.

The logic expressed in your comment is astounding because there is no logic present. Just the standard liberal/progressive wail to abolish the Second Amendment.



No. He is because someone on Twitter said he was. Apparently that is all the proof required.



Is that like shouting "racist," or "homophobe," or "bigot" so often the terms lose all meaning?



Is that why this is such a tragedy? Because she was a bleeding heart in favor of flooding Britain, and by extension the West, with untold thousands of refugees operating under the policy of "no-true-Muslim?"

True, it is sad for her family. But when Kate Steinle was savagely murdered I didn't see such wailing about how the world lost a voice for this, that, or the other thing. The commentary primarily centered around defense of her killer. If the liberal/progressive left finds this event sad it is directly connected to the political policies the victim expressed, a tenet which by default implies her life was somehow more valuable than, say, a woman killed by an illegal immigrant holding several felony convictions who had previously been deported from the US five times.
Well, I don't use twitter, so I don't know what your fixation on someone on twitter is. Maybe address things people say instead of going off into your own world?

I have zero issues and had zero issues with it coming out that the man in Orlando was an extremist Muslim.

As to this shooter in question, who killed Jo Cox, he was an extremist Right Winger, who held anti-immigrant, anti-EU positions (and shouted "Britain First", which is a group that holds essentially the exact opposite positions of Jo Cox) and was subscribed to a white supremacist publication and had ties to a far right group in the US, etc.. Denial of that only makes you look silly.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-cox-shooting-suspect-quiet-8212246

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...urder-suspect-had-ties-far-right-us/86026562/
 
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This is truly amazing, reading the reactions to this event as compared to the overall reaction expressed in regard to the Orlando shooting.

I specifically used the terminology because I knew many here would balk at calling him a right-wing (possibly Christian) extremist/terrorist when otherwise they rush to call Muslim perpetrators of crimes "Islamist" or "Islamic" or "Muslim" extremists/terrorists/radicals from the moment they find out they have Muslim-sounding names. The type of evidence in the initial stages of the stories were similar yet people are treating them very differently.

I've been trying to point out this hypocrisy but someone on this forum even tried to link it to a conspiracy (on my part) not deserving of credibility. This is the reason I use the same vague terminology I disagree with (i.e. "terrorist") on people who the media and public are less likely to use it on: to highlight this very hypocrisy. I try to use the same standards they use minus the "preferably Muslim" part.

Remember the Oslo bombing? Some in the media were pretty sure it was "Islamic terrorism" despite the paucity of evidence. And when it emerged that the guy who committed the act of terror was a right-wing Christian, FOX news (the one that initially speculated that it was a Muslim extremist behind it) went out of its way to say that Anders Breivik was not a Christian. Something similar is happening here with many people who don't have any qualms in immediately labeling someone a Muslim terrorist having an issue with calling this guy a right-wing terrorist despite similar amounts of evidence..

On Fox News Channel‘s O’Reilly Factor (7/22/11), guest host Laura Ingraham declared, “Deadly terror attacks in Norway, in what appears to be the work, once again, of Muslim extremists.” Even after Norwegian authorities arrested Breivik, former Bush administration U.N. ambassador John Bolton was in disbelief. “There is a kind of political correctness that comes up when these tragic events occur,” he explained on Fox‘s On the Record (7/22/11). “This kind of behavior is very un-Norwegian. The speculation that it is part of right-wing extremism, I think that has less of a foundation at this point than the concern that there’s a broader political threat here.”

Seeing ‘Islamic Terror’ in Norway
 
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Yeah, but isn't the one on the left a kind of snarky response to requests for the Muslim community to take responsibility for various attacks, and not what they actually believe?

Some might do it for snarky reasons...but for others, no...that's how they honestly feel.

It's symptom that can be found on both sides of the political spectrum in all honesty.
...it's where the whole concept of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy originated.

When the perpetrator is a member of a faction/group/etc... that your group sees as an ally, the instinct is to want to distance the negative action from that group as much as possible, and put it on the individual as to definitively convey the message "he's not with us".

When the perpetrator is from a group that's seen as being on the "other team", and engages in behavior that you already deep down wanted to believe all people from that group engaged in to begin with, then there is no more "lone wolf", it's becomes about the group and trying to highlight why the ideals of that group led the person to do this.

It's the reason why certain people on the left won't bring themselves to admit that Islamic doctrine can cause violent behavior in people who take it literally...however, they're completely willing to accept that a 100+ year old flag made a person shoot up a church.

It's the reason why a person on the right might not be able to bring themselves acknowledge the fact that a literal interpretation of the OT could create a less than hospitable environment for the gay community...yet have no problem linking homosexuality to pedophilia based on isolated cherry picked examples of overlap.

Sam Harris did an excellent interview on the TheYoungTurks a while back...it's about 2 hours long, but well worth the watch. I'd link it here, except the host uses some profanity, and I don't feel like being reported again lol....but none the less, it's worth searching for and watching.

Sam was talking about the importance of acknowledging the distinctions between the different religions and why certain ones produce a more severe manifestation of extremism than others... and he focuses in on the important of acknowledging the link between doctrine and behavior/actions.

The examples he provides make an excellent point...his question that he posed to the host was
"Most major holy books have violent passages, in fact, the Old Testament arguably is far more violent than the Koran, why is it that the religious bodies of particular faiths have such an easier time dismissing or ignoring the violent instructions in their books vs. people of other faiths. Why is it that the Jews have a much easier time ignoring the violent instructions in their book?"

He then makes a comparison between the NT and the Koran...he goes onto say "While it's true that both books have passages that reference violence & ostracizing certain members of society, the two stories have two very different protagonists. If these two stories were made into modern day movies, the lead in one movie would be Morgan Freeman, the lead in the other would be Steven Seagal."

He's being comical towards the end, but he's raising some valid things to consider...we have to be honest in asking ourselves, why is it that, when all religions produce extremists, there's one that's creating a much higher level of extremism than the others.

Why is it that the pinnacle of anti-abortion Christian extremism (army of God) is 400 rednecks in the woods, only coming out to start fires at abortion clinics every 2 years or so and only racking up a body count of 25 in the last 3 decades...yet, the pinnacle of Islamic extremism is mass carnage that's causing a worldwide refugee crisis.

There's no doubt that both are extremist groups...yet, to even pretend that they're on the same playing field is ridiculous.
 
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"...is believed to have had long-term links with a hard-right group based in London which had been campaigning for many years for Britain to leave the European Union."

"Thomas Mair was named as a supporter in an online publication of the Springbok Club, an organisation which has defended the white supremacist apartheid regime in South Africa."


Jo Cox death: Suspect linked to far-right political group that campaigned against the EU

"In a statement on Friday, the West Yorkshire Police said examining Mr. Mair’s ties to “right wing extremism” was a “priority line of enquiry” in the effort to establish a motive. The police said his mental illness, which was not specified, was also “a clear line of enquiry.”

...The police believe Mr. Mair was angry about political issues and had targeted Ms. Cox, who supported keeping Britain in the European Union, according to a person who has been briefed on the investigation and spoke on the condition of anonymity because no one has been authorized to publicly discuss the inquiry."

....On Thursday night, the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is based in Alabama, released receipts showing that Mr. Mair had paid $620 for materials from National Vanguard Books, the publishing imprint of a neo-Nazi organization called the National Alliance. In 1999, he bought manuals for making a gun and improvised explosives. The gun used in the shooting was not homemade, according to the person briefed on the investigation, who said that Mr. Mair also had a hunting knife.


Thomas Mair, Suspect in Jo Cox Killing, Had History of Neo-Nazi Ties and Mental Illness

Special police units who searched the house of the man arrested after the killing of MP Jo Cox are believed to have found samples of Nazi regalia and far-right literature.

Nazi regalia discovered at house of Jo Cox killing suspect
 
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But NOTHING thus far reported suggests that these are the “reasons” he killed poor Jo Cox, still less that the matter has ANYTHING WHATEVER to do with Brexit.

The speculation everywhere, fuelled by prejudicial police leaks to the Guardian, is that, as the BBC reported, Mair shouted “Britain First!” and then attacked the MP.

Couple that with the police’s neo-Nazi finds at his house and there is the hate crime motivation, done and dusted.

But this theory is already falling apart under scrutiny. One of the three original “witnesses” , Mr. Hitcham Ben Abdallah, cited, flatly denied he ever heard Mair shout “Britain First!”

http://heatst.com/uk/justice-first-...killer-should-not-be-discussed-in-parliament/
 
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