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Amen. Adam (the entire man) was a physical "type" of Jesus, the "2nd Adam".
Eve was IN Adam before the Lord extracted her from him. That is why Paul states that if a man loves his wife, he is literally loving "himself". Very deep indeed. Just as Adam was put into a deep sleep to extract Eve from his own being, so are we, the bride/church, come from Jesus own being. We are literally flesh of His flesh, bone of His bone. Addam and Eve were together as one person, being, before the Lord separated them into two. This is the way it is with Christ and His people. Amazing.
It is amazing sister , consider this apt factoid :
What word in the English language means its opposite meaning ?
I was NOT defending free will. Election is UNCONDITIONAL. But our election occurred in time and not in eternity.
Could you list these inconsistencies. It might save repeated posts and threads.
You are being asked by a non-Calvinist to show him inconsistencies in order for him to grow in understanding. He deserves better than a cryptic answer.Amen, a Calvinist himself finds inconsistencies in his beliefs, but don't let a non-Calvinist dare to find them.
Okay, this may not be the correct answer, but I'll try: Contronyms?
Everytime the Lord peels away another layer of this mystery of being in Him the way Eve was in Adam, it's overwhelming and yet so beautiful. When He loves us, He is truly loving Himself. To put His Spirit IN us, is to put His Spirit in Himself... wow. (not that we are Him, the head, but that as the body, we inherit all of His Spirit as He does, since we complete Him as His body.)
I don't know that word Try 'cleave ' it means split in two and the opposite to join together
I will give you one example. Over the years I have discoured with Arminians that are pretty sharp and intelligent people. They caused me to see that for the Elect to be in union with Christ before the creation of the physical world implies that they were never condemned in Adam. But Paul CLEARLY said that the Elect were condemned in Adam. We could not have been in union with Christ at the same time. So I had to make some adjustments.Could you list these inconsistencies. It might save repeated posts and threads.
I will give you one example. Over the years I have discoured with Arminians that are pretty sharp and intelligent people. They caused me to see that for the Elect to be in union with Christ before the creation of the physical world implies that they were never condemned in Adam. But Paul CLEARLY said that the Elect were condemned in Adam. We could not have been in union with Christ at the same time. So I had to make some adjustments.
My vote is your understanding like everyone else is lacking and the Bible contradicts itself.Congrats. By your confusing the general, outward call of the Gospel to repent and believe with the inward, effectual call of God that results in regeneration, you have effectively pitted the Bible against itself. Observe:
1 Cor. 1:22-24 says that every one called is saved.
Matt. 22:14 says there are people called who aren't saved.
So either the Bible contradicts itself, or your understanding is lacking. My vote is on the latter.
Good to hear this.I will give you one example. Over the years I have discoured with Arminians that are pretty sharp and intelligent people.
They caused me to see that for the Elect to be in union with Christ before the creation of the physical world implies that they were never condemned in Adam. But Paul CLEARLY said that the Elect were condemned in Adam. We could not have been in union with Christ at the same time. So I had to make some adjustments.
How about If you do a time line.
This may be worth considering , our union in Christ existed even when we were in Adam ? Proof ?
We died with Christ , we , were crucified and raised in Christ , obviously this happened for most of us in a time before we came to full union , and furthermore the Apostle extends this union of the elect so that right now , we are seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus , this is a fact . The union is spiritual and mystical that is why marriage was created , to be a type of mystery of Christ and the Church
That's going to be difficult when we agree that the past, present and future are all God's now.
The passage you cite proves just the opposite. It shows that our COVENANTAL union with Adam was severed.This may be worth considering , our union in Christ existed even when we were in Adam ? Proof ?
We died with Christ , we , were crucified and raised in Christ , obviously this happened for most of us in a time before we came to full union , and furthermore the Apostle extends this union of the elect so that right now , we are seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus , this is a fact . The union is spiritual and mystical that is why marriage was created , to be a type of mystery of Christ and the Church
The passage you cite proves just the opposite. It shows that our COVENANTAL union with Adam was severed.
Too often the Reformed create a language that no one understands to hide their inconsistencies. For example, your "spiritual" and "mystical" union theory makes no sense. There is no such thing as a spiritual union. And there is nothing "mystical" about it. What do you mean by the term "mystical?"
ALL unions between entities or individuals are COVENANTAL in nature. Unions are always based in COVENANTS.
We were first in union with Adam COVENANTALLY and were condemned by that COVENANT. We then entered into a COVENANTAL union with Christ. There is nothing spiritual or mystical about it. Calvinists need to discard the terms "spiritual" and "mystical" regarding the word union. They can't even define what a "mystical" union is.
I was never in union with Adam by contract. And I was never condemned by contract. The only sin that destroys my spiritual existence is my sin, not the sin of anyone else. Ezekiel 18
I was never in union with Adam by contract. And I was never condemned by contract. The only sin that destroys my spiritual existence is my sin, not the sin of anyone else. Ezekiel 18
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