Jesus' Primary Purpose

[Khalliqa]

Yes, exactly what a muslims might say.
Only, he'll be talking about another "truth" and another "testimony".

And for us outsiders, you'll sound exactly alike while you'ld both be pitching mutually exclusive ideas.

Go figure.

I don't think there is any reasoning with someone who eschews reasoning. Talking to a brick wall..

 

[miknik5]

Yes, exactly what a muslims might say.
Only, he'll be talking about another "truth" and another "testimony".

And for us outsiders, you'll sound exactly alike while you'ld both be pitching mutually exclusive ideas.

Go figure.

Ahhhh
Again

At the end, GOD's TRUTH will remain THE TRUTH

ONE TESTIMONY
And HIS WITNESSES will testify to it

 

[miknik5]

I don't think there is any reasoning with someone who eschews reasoning. Talking to a brick wall..

I don't think there is any reason discussing the things of GOD with you at all

You have a hidden agenda and it isn't to seek to know HIM

 

[Khalliqa]

I don't think there is any reason discussing the things of GOD with you at all

You have a hidden agenda and it isn't to seek to know HIM

No hidden agenda Miknik. You actually may be able to grasp this one. I am registered as an atheist. An atheist is someone who rejects the notion of the existence of god. So inherently I would not be seeking something I've come to the conclusion does not exist. I think your problem is not with me but with the forum owners/mods who allow people like me to interact with theists.

Whenever you're ready to dialogue about what we might have in common and why there are differences then you might find dialogue more interactive than you just reposting and repeating yourself.

And yes, reason is essential to dialogue with most atheists. And reasonable dialogue requires adherence to logic. If you are unable to rectify your beliefs with logic and reason then you will always see everyone as an "enemy" and having a "hidden agenda" .... This, of course, is your choice..

But until then.. your inability to come to grips with the fact that you could possibly be errant on a number of points will make dialogue with you moot.. I've tried to ignore you... but every now and then you say something and I'm hopeful there's a glimmer of "sound mind" going on..

so maybe this will be something you can grasp.. atheist means someone who is NOT a believer.. NOT Christian.. okay? and will NOT be seeking something they have concluded doesn't exist.

G'day.

 

[miknik5]

Is to be worshipped?
Forgive sins of humanity?
Serve as an example?

Of course many would say all three but I'm asking for you to choose the main function or role..

Because depending on the church it seems one of these will be emphasized over the other..

No hidden agenda Miknik. You actually may be able to grasp this one. I am registered as an atheist. An atheist is someone who rejects the notion of the existence of god. So inherently I would not be seeking something I've come to the conclusion does not exist. I think your problem is not with me but with the forum owners/mods who allow people like me to interact with theists.

Whenever you're ready to dialogue about what we might have in common and why there are differences then you might find dialogue more interactive than you just reposting and repeating yourself.

And yes, reason is essential to dialogue with most atheists. And reasonable dialogue requires adherence to logic. If you are unable to rectify your beliefs with logic and reason then you will always see everyone as an "enemy" and having a "hidden agenda" .... This, of course, is your choice..

But until then.. your inability to come to grips with the fact that you could possibly be errant on a number of points will make dialogue with you moot.. I've tried to ignore you... but every now and then you say something and I'm hopeful there's a glimmer of "sound mind" going on..

so maybe this will be something you can grasp.. atheist means someone who is NOT a believer.. NOT Christian.. okay? and will NOT be seeking something they have concluded doesn't exist.

G'day.

Then you really are not seeking nor do you care to know JESUS' PRIMARY PURPOSE and no one needs to "assist" you in your "seeking"

When you are seriously seeking THE TRUTH, you will seek HIM with your for yourself

But until then, your heart and your agenda is not hidden from GOD

 

[miknik5]

But...if today you hear HIS VOICE...harden not your heart

And yet, HE is the one who made the hearts of the people fat and gave them eyes which are not and ears which hear not, lest they should believe with their heart..turn..and HE should heal them

But I guess one would have to first believe that they are in need of A PHYSICIAN and that their "sickness" can only be healed by HIM

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I don't think there is any reasoning with someone who eschews reasoning. Talking to a brick wall..

Yup.

Or how that famous saying goes: "You can't reason someone out of a position that he didn't reason himself into!"

Or how Dr Gregory House hilariously phrased it: "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people"

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Ahhhh
Again

At the end, GOD's TRUTH will remain THE TRUTH

ONE TESTIMONY
And HIS WITNESSES will testify to it

Yup, as the Quran says.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Then you really are not seeking nor do you care to know JESUS' PRIMARY PURPOSE and no one needs to "assist" you in your "seeking"

When you are seriously seeking THE TRUTH, you will seek HIM with your for yourself

But until then, your heart and your agenda is not hidden from GOD

Just out of interest...

What would you say to someone who genuinly and seriously went out "seeking the truth" and found that truth in the Quran and Allah?

 

[miknik5]

Yup.

Or how that famous saying goes: "You can't reason someone out of a position that he didn't reason himself into!"

Or how Dr Gregory House hilariously phrased it: "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people"

Exactly
That's why you won't be able to convince us otherwise

THIS ANOINTING is real (1 John 2) and the "wind" dies gonehere it listeth ( John 3:8)

we know who we learned of and we know from whom we learned it

Like I said, if today you hear HIS VOICE, harden not your heart

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But...if today you hear HIS VOICE...harden not your heart

Texas Woman says God told her to kill sons | CNN 13MAY03<

Woman in texas hears God's voice. It tells her to kill her sons.
She didn't "harden her heart" and complied with the commandment.

 

[juvenissun]

So is your answer to my question... "yes"?

There is a little (could be critical) difference between yours and mine. But in general, yes.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yup.

Or how that famous saying goes: "You can't reason someone out of a position that he didn't reason himself into!"

Or how Dr Gregory House hilariously phrased it: "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people"

Exactly
That's why you won't be able to convince us otherwise

LOL!!

I rest my case.

 

[JD16]

LOL!!

I rest my case.

It looks like we're dealing with another AV, reality-proof and facts can take a hike! just that this one is without a sense of humour and not even entertaining, mehh

 

[miknik5]

Just out of interest...

What would you say to someone who genuinly and seriously went out "seeking the truth" and found that truth in the Quran and Allah?

I would say for you to read John 8 and mahe a right judgement

 

[miknik5]

Just out of interest...

What would you say to someone who genuinly and seriously went out "seeking the truth" and found that truth in the Quran and Allah?

I would say for you to read John 8 and mahe a right judgement

 

[Khalliqa]

There is a little (could be critical) difference between yours and mine. But in general, yes.

Okay. I'm interested. What is the critical difference?

 

[Khalliqa]

Church or body of believers? to yourOP-all 3 but it's clear that the Father wanted primarily a family to have a relationship with starting with Adam, through all His other other writings, and ending with Christ who calls His believers His Bride. He want daughters, sons, friends, companions, and a daughter-in-law through His Son, His true believers never a religious organization does He ask for.

An aside: Wouldn't a family congregate eventually.. maybe into something like a church? What do you find wrong with the church?

 

[juvenissun]

Help me here are you saying that your understanding is that god equates "solving" the problem of sin with only the people who sees him? and the rest of the sin that exists in the world and will always exist is not his problem? And this is what you mean by god solves the problem of sin?

I have answered that vaguely and here is the critical insufficiency in your summary. God wants to have (a lot) interaction with us. Those who only "see" God, but not interested, are not qualified to interact with God. And, after the physical death, they will never see God again.

 

[miknik5]

LOL!!

I rest my case.

What integrity

Truncating a post to fit your own agenda

 

[Khalliqa]

I have answered that vaguely and here is the critical insufficiency in your summary. God wants to have (a lot) interaction with us. Those who only "see" God, but not interested, are not qualified to interact with God. And, after the physical death, they will never see God again.

I understand that to mean that god's idea of solving the problem of people who engage in sin is to only deal with people who "see" him. IMO this is like saying we are going to solve the problem of cancer by only treating those who come to the hospital. And I guess proclaim the matter taken care of?