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Actually, it was meant to be friendly rather than derisive, Kalliqa. If I had really meant to be acidly sarcastic, I wouldn't have used an 'eye-roll' emoticon.
Best wishes...
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OP: Jesus' Primary Purpose(s)??: (~ 3 year MINISTRY / MISSION ON EARTH??
1. Is it: "to be worshipped"?
2. "Forgive sins" of humanity?
3. Serve as an example?
OBJECTION: limited forced choices!
1 John 3 (NASB)
8...the one who PRACTICES sin is of (like?) the devil;
for the devil has sinned from the beginning.(Eden?)
The Son of God (Jesus the Divine Messiah) appeared for this purpose,(mission?)
to destroy the works of the devil....
1 JoHN 3:23-24
This is His commandment,
that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ,
and love "one another",(BELIEVERS) just as He commanded us.
The one who keeps His commandments ABIDES (dwells) in Him, and He in him.
We know by this that He abides in us, by (GOD) the (HOLY)Spirit whom He has given us.
Jesus the Christ "APPEARED" via the miraculous incarnation. Luke 1 through 2.
Galatians 4:4
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
Q: And for WHAT PURPOSE(s) was he manifested?
Here are some of His completed "missions":
Jesus the Christ, The Divine Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, True God-Man "CHANGED the world" because of HIS "works" / words / missions:
1. Message...spiritually true WORDS
2. Miracles...spiritual and super-natural ACTS to AUTHENTICATE His message AND:
3. Prophesies...spiritual fore-sight
4. Teaching...of spiritual principles, sometimes in parables
5. Preaching...the Law and interpreting it, adding precepts, warning unbelievers
6. Ministry...a perfect example to follow...sin free
Matthew 20:28
just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
1 Corinthians 15:3... Christ died FOR our sins according to the Scriptures,
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also died FOR sins once FOR all,
the just (JESUS) FOR the unjust (US),
so that He might bring us to God,(RECONCILIATION!)
having been put to death in the flesh,(CRUCIFIXION)
but made alive in the spirit;(resurrection, appearances, ascension)
Q1: What is the meaning (of the) word 'Manifested'?
"appeared" ...Greek 5319...phaneroo...to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown, to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way
Q2: Who was 'manifested'?
A2: Jesus the God-Man..The Divine Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, True DEITY + True MAN.
Q1. Is it: "to be worshipped"?
A1. Only after resurrection. He wanted FOLLOWERS in life.
Q2. "Forgive sins" of humanity?
A2. BOTH the Father and Son forgive/forgave the sins of ONLY Believers!
Q3. Serve as an example?
A3. Jesus the God-Man IS our perfect sinless example.
1 Peter 2:21
To this you (believers) were called,
because Christ suffered FOR you,
leaving you an example,
that you should follow in His steps.
1. Is it: "to be worshipped"?
2. "Forgive sins" of humanity?
3. Serve as an example?
OBJECTION: limited forced choices!
1 John 3 (NASB)
8...the one who PRACTICES sin is of (like?) the devil;
for the devil has sinned from the beginning.(Eden?)
The Son of God (Jesus the Divine Messiah) appeared for this purpose,(mission?)
to destroy the works of the devil....
1 JoHN 3:23-24
This is His commandment,
that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ,
and love "one another",(BELIEVERS) just as He commanded us.
The one who keeps His commandments ABIDES (dwells) in Him, and He in him.
We know by this that He abides in us, by (GOD) the (HOLY)Spirit whom He has given us.
Jesus the Christ "APPEARED" via the miraculous incarnation. Luke 1 through 2.
Galatians 4:4
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
Q: And for WHAT PURPOSE(s) was he manifested?
Here are some of His completed "missions":
Jesus the Christ, The Divine Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, True God-Man "CHANGED the world" because of HIS "works" / words / missions:
1. Message...spiritually true WORDS
2. Miracles...spiritual and super-natural ACTS to AUTHENTICATE His message AND:
3. Prophesies...spiritual fore-sight
4. Teaching...of spiritual principles, sometimes in parables
5. Preaching...the Law and interpreting it, adding precepts, warning unbelievers
6. Ministry...a perfect example to follow...sin free
Matthew 20:28
just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
1 Corinthians 15:3... Christ died FOR our sins according to the Scriptures,
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also died FOR sins once FOR all,
the just (JESUS) FOR the unjust (US),
so that He might bring us to God,(RECONCILIATION!)
having been put to death in the flesh,(CRUCIFIXION)
but made alive in the spirit;(resurrection, appearances, ascension)
Q1: What is the meaning (of the) word 'Manifested'?
"appeared" ...Greek 5319...phaneroo...to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown, to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way
Q2: Who was 'manifested'?
A2: Jesus the God-Man..The Divine Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, True DEITY + True MAN.
Q1. Is it: "to be worshipped"?
A1. Only after resurrection. He wanted FOLLOWERS in life.
Q2. "Forgive sins" of humanity?
A2. BOTH the Father and Son forgive/forgave the sins of ONLY Believers!
Q3. Serve as an example?
A3. Jesus the God-Man IS our perfect sinless example.
1 Peter 2:21
To this you (believers) were called,
because Christ suffered FOR you,
leaving you an example,
that you should follow in His steps.
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Limited in order to isolate the point of question. No one is forced to answer. But the answers have been illuminating.
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